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Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by Mountain_Skies on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:34PM (#26704998)
This case is something to keep in mind anytime Amazon comments on any labor matter, be it minimum wage, visas, diversity, work conditions, contractors, anything at all. Amazon is not commenting on those issues with anything in mind other than its own interests.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by ArkanExplorer on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:02PM (#26705246)
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/20/21228324/amazon-whole-foo...

"Whole Foods, which is owned by Amazon, is using a heat map to track stores that may be at risk of unionization"

"a “diversity index” represents the racial and ethnic diversity of every store. Stores at higher risk of unionizing have lower diversity"

https://trak.in/tags/business/2020/10/31/h1b-visa-ban-google...

In October 2020 Google, Amazon & 44 Tech Companies Sued the US Govt Over the H1B Visa Ban

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/data/h-1b...

European countries make up only 2.8% of the H1B intake.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by yhoneycomb on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:26PM (#26705435)
Makes you wonder if THIS is what's behind all the pushes for diversity
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by heterodoxxed on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:03PM (#26706290)
The push for diversity is not that sinister, they just want the widest customer base they can get. Neoliberal diversity and identity politics lets them be moral without threatening their power base.

What we've seen from Amazon's anti-union efforts this round is that they are not sophisticated enough to be pulling some kind of machiavellian plot.

If unions are going to work in America, they have be able to navigate a diverse group of people. The American working class is incredibly diverse, more than the country itself. It's a challenge but it's not insurmountable. But the left/union approach to diversity and the corporate approach are completely different from each other and have different material motivations.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by fallingknife on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:21PM (#26706935)
Have you ever in your life seen someone look at a company's diversity stats before buying something?
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by heterodoxxed on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:24PM (#26706957)
Are you saying advertising, marketing and PR have no effect? Because if so, I'll notify those billion dollar industries they've been made redundant.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by femiagbabiaka on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:13PM (#26707238)
The marketing isn’t the stats, it’s the public claims they can make about tracking them.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by themacguffinman on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:34PM (#26718227)
No but I do remember media headlines about a company.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by knowaveragejoe on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:38PM (#26705549)
Why do people think the promotion of diversity is part of some nefarious global plot?
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by SonOfKyuss on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:23PM (#26705961)
Because of the well funded propaganda networks in the US that push that notion.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by avs733 on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:35PM (#26706586)
That people should be given equal opportunity and not just the opportunity they were born with because their parents where lynched for voting?
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by sjtindell on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:47PM (#26706682)
Poster meant propaganda networks that push the idea it is a plot.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by thu2111 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:11AM (#26709739)
They don't think it's an explicit plot, obviously. They think it's global because it mostly is (within the Anglosphere at least), and nefarious because its stated objectives do not align with the actions people in that 'movement' take.

For instance, diversity programs are invariably justified by reference to needing a diversity of perspectives or ideas. But the resulting personnel policies are never about ideas, they're always about gender and skin colour. In fact the typical diversity program often results in hiring lots of ideologically homogenous people.

That disparity between claimed goals and actual goals invariably makes it appear like there's some sort of hidden agenda at work.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by mancerayder on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:58AM (#26711220)
That's misinformed and presumptuous.

Study the working class movements from the mid 19th century to the 1970s. Look at their coalitions and demands.

Study the woke movement of the 2015-2021. One was pushing for collective unity and demanding concrete rights, including healthcare, working hour limits and unionization rights. The other wants to fire racists and change language. Which would you prefer if you were a corporate board member with the interests of your company at heart?

Which is more of a threat, a movement that demands corporate tax pay for a single payer healthcare model, or a movement which demands we make it easier to fire people accused of racism?

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by NoSorryCannot on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:47AM (#26713315)
This is an extremely reductive and uncharitable take on the conversations being had right now and calling it the "woke movement" shows you know what you're doing.

"Concrete" things like healthcare reform, voting reform, policing reform, tax reform, immigration reform, and women's rights have been front and center. You'd have to be looking through a very distorted lens to not see it.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by mancerayder on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @01:17PM (#26714612)
The topic at hand - the subject at the top - is unionization and Amazon. Your reply seems to forget this with a focus on me. And we're talking about how wokism (I know what I'm doing, what is that supposed to mean?) is embraced by corporations. Several commenters said that the woke stuff is compatible with capitalism, and I supported that view by contrasting the historical (anti-corporate) worker's movement with the current, very recent pro-corporate woke movement. The point is this - companies like Amazon want us to worry about race and gender quotas because that's an easier way to appear to be ethical than the other criticisms we can throw at them.

I don't know why I am responding, but I'll continue with another one, Nike. Nike has for decades been the subject of human rights criticisms of their factories abroad. That's bad PR. So they went woke by taking public stands on racial stuff within the U.S. That's good PR.

You can say I know what I'm doing (which is arguably a personal attack implying nefarious motives). But you don't seem to understand the point, not at all!

Please, please do a little reading on the labor movement and don't put woke in scare quotes like it is not a thing. A local politician here has a pin, Stay Woke. It's a real term.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by DiggyJohnson on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:38PM (#26706101)
I don’t think anyone is claiming that it is “part of some nefarious global plot” in the discrete, conspiratorial sense you are suggesting.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by knowaveragejoe on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:39PM (#26706617)
When modern Americans and Europeans rail against "diversity" as being the cause of their woes, it's almost certainly based on what boils down to some flavor of the "white genocide" conspiracy theory.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by aqouta on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:05PM (#26707557)
When corporations push diversity as a terminal value it's almost always to suppress labor costs. It's very easy to win arguments if you just assume everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by knowaveragejoe on Friday April 09, 2021 @06:19PM (#26756914)
Give an example? You yourself are putting forth what amounts to a conspiracy theory.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by lmm on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:54PM (#26707136)
Because its most visible effect has been the suppression of the working class? Because its most prominent advocates are nefarious global plotters?
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by cdata on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:00PM (#26707172)
[citation needed]
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by extradesgo on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:06PM (#26707558)
r/stupidpol is worth a serious read.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by ArkanExplorer on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @10:33AM (#26712236)
Dīvide et īmpera has been a strategy since the Roman Empire.

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by sudosysgen on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:37PM (#26705543)
Well no, it's not. More diverse stores may have tensions that lower the cohesiveness of the group, and some of their members may be economically more vulnerable and thus more weary of the risk of retaliation, but once (if) diversity is normalized and racial inequality subsides, then this disparity will almost certainly disappear.

And once it does, one of the most major lines exploited against economic and social progress becomes much more difficult to exploit.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by enimodas on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:03AM (#26710800)
Why would big Capital let racial inequality subside when they profit of it? And even if it were to subside, history teaches us that's it's very easy to divide and rile up people along ethnic and cultural lines.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by asdfasgasdgasdg on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:33PM (#26706053)
As cynical as this take is, you aren't alone in thinking it. This has been a repeating theme among some Bernie Sanders/economic left folks. For example, the concept that the center uses racial politics against the economic left to defuse their efforts has been discussed a number of times on the Chapo Trap House podcast. I'm personally not sure whether I subscribe to this belief, but I can see how people might feel this way.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by heterodoxxed on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:14PM (#26706409)
I like to remind people that "Identity Politics" as envisioned by Barbara Smith and the Combahee River Collective in the 1970's as an approach to left-wing organizing is virtually unrecognizable when compared to today's neoliberal "woke" corporate identity politics. The former is about recognizing individual and group needs while organizing towards a universal, collective goal. The latter is about internecine conflict based on differences and the rejection of a collective goal entirely in favor of means-tested and targeted "reforms".

It's rare in the economic left to reject identity politics entirely (outside of some wretched nazbol twitter types), because people like CTH, Adolph Reed, Mark Fisher, Barbara Smith, Bernie Sanders, etc. all recognize the need for navigating identity in left movements. Where they reject neoliberal identity politics is in accepting a need for a greater collective goal.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by paxys on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:38PM (#26705038)
It's bizarre that this even needs to be said IMO.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by ajxs on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:35PM (#26705519)
Unfortunately, it really does. There's so many people who are unable or unwilling to turn a critical eye to the actions of these companies. This applies doubly to social and political issues. Amazon and ilk carefully weigh the options and make decisions according to their own interests.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by CryptoPunk on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:47PM (#26707084)
It applies much more so to the actions of unions and workers seeking to unionize. They have their own interests, and they are not aligned with the public's.

Case in point: Vox writers, who eventually unionized, spent years publishing articles arguing for laws limiting the gig economy, like this one:

"The gig economy has grown big, fast — and that’s a problem for workers" [1]

Three years after the above article was published, its agenda succeeded, and a new anti-gig-economy law was passed in California. That law in turn forced Vox to let go of hundreds of gig economy freelancers, thus reducing competition to the full-time journalists who used their media platform to lobby for the law:

"Vox Media to cut hundreds of freelance jobs ahead of changes in California gig economy laws" [2]

[1] https://www.vox.com/2016/10/26/13349498/gig-economy-profits-...

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/vox-media-to-cut-hundreds-of...

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by plandis on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:03PM (#26706806)
That’s literally every publicly traded company, not just Amazon.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by rogerdickey on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:03PM (#26705786)
Who said it’s a crime for businesses to keep their own interests in mind or even to weigh them heavily? Seems prudent
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by ncallaway on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:09PM (#26705838)
> Who said it’s a crime for businesses to keep their own interests in mind

Nobody? Certainly, not the person you're responding to. This comment _almost_ feels like a non-sequitor to me. Someone saying to "keep something in mind" is _not_ them calling it a crime.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by judge2020 on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:11PM (#26705852)
Some would argue that that shouldn't mean Amazon gets to impose conditions that cause a non-trivial amount of workers to be forced to do things like pee in bottles, or fight for their right to not endure such conditions (amongst other harsh conditions like extremely high quotas).
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by kelnos on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:48PM (#26706189)
Nobody said it's a crime, but I really don't want to live in a world where the interests of corporate profits outweigh everything else.

We're already pretty far down that path; too far, IMO.

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by post_below on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:00PM (#26706272)
Not a crime, a reality, cheers to anyone who tries to keep that reality at the forefront of the conversation.
Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by eplanit on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:54PM (#26705703)
"Amazon is not commenting on those issues with anything in mind other than its own interests."

Isn't that what any company should do?

Re:Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds by ncallaway on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:12PM (#26705859)
You should keep it in mind when other company's make PR statements, yes.

I would like to think that a "good" company should also consider other factors like when they make a PR statement (things like: "is this statement a lie"?). I'd certainly have a hard time arguing that a company should lie in a PR statement, even if it appears that such a lie would be in their interests.