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Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by fireattack on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:13AM (#26696835)
What is "high-bro sphere"? I googled and didn't find anything.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by tim333 on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:14AM (#26696842)
I think he means highbrow as in opera, Dante etc.

I quite like the article and found it interesting. I'm a Brit and you have to realize British publications like the Economist tend to take the piss out of Europe a bit, especially the Eurovision song contest.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by oblio on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:20AM (#26696873)
> I quite like the article and found it interesting.

Well, you're British and this is a British publication targeting you :-)

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by ascorbic on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:33AM (#26696971)
Most readers of the Economist aren't in the UK. It's not even its biggest market.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by walshemj on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:32PM (#26701140)
Quite a few countries do that as well not just the UK.

In the past Italy sent its B team - and TBH san remo has much better strike rate for good songs.

The main point of watching (UK perspective) is for the cometary, The late Terry Wogan and now Graham Norton ) and to see how few points the UK gets

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by _notreallyme_ on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:17AM (#26696854)
I guess it's "elitist circles". There were no enforced borders before WWI. It was common for people who could afford it to travel between big European cities. So there is a big chunk of shared culture actually.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by lqet on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:31AM (#26696955)
> There were no enforced borders before WWI.

What do you mean by that? There were of course borders, and they were certainly enforced.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by coldtea on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:24AM (#26697226)
Not in today's sense:

Until the late 18th century travellers were more likely to be monitored at the district or parish level. During the French revolutionary wars the Jacobins began to issue foreign travellers with a carte de sureté on arrival at the French border, but these early ‘passports’ were dependent on the ideological affiliations of the holder rather than their nationality and subsequently fell into disuse after the Napoleonic Wars.

For much of the 19th century border control was sporadic and often non-existent, as millions of people migrated from Europe to the New World or within Europe itself without any passports or documentation. In 1942 the Austrian writer Stefan Zweig recalled the amazement of young people when he told them he had travelled across the world without a passport before the First World War.

The situation had started to change following the global economic slump in 1873, when governments began to introduce immigration controls based on nationality and ethnicity for the first time. In 1882 the US government passed the first Chinese Exclusion Act in response to racist ‘Yellow Peril’ lobbying from California politicians. In 1885 Bismarck ordered the expulsion of 40,000 Polish workers from Germany to prevent the ‘Polonization’ of Prussia. In 1897 the South African colony of Natal introduced a language test for immigrants, which barred entry to anyone who could not fill out an application form in English – a test that was specifically intended to eliminate ‘coolie’ labour from India. The ‘Natal formula’ was also introduced in Australia in order to keep out Chinese migrant workers.

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/history-matters/beyond-...

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by neither_color on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:15AM (#26697581)
That's fascinating. I was recently reflecting on how in 20 years Ill be telling young people "with a western passport, you used to be able to just book a flight and fly to almost any country you want and stay at least 30 days, but then covid happened." I'm so glad I got to do some nomad-ing for 2 years in my mid 20s. That level of openness is gone, and no the vaccine isn't bringing it fully back. The borders between The US, Mexico and Canada used to be a lot fuzzier too only 30 years ago. While there was SOME control, it was a lot more lax and after 9/11 it never came back. Once you give up some openness for security it never returns.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by Veen on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:35AM (#26696980)
There were borders and they were enforced, but during the 19th and early 20th Century, it was quite normal for artistic elites to move around, especially to cultural hotspots like the Paris of the high-modernist era or Vienna in the late 19th C. etc.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by buran77 on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:18AM (#26698530)
Indeed but the view that survived from so long ago isn't coming from the "regular folks" but from a selection of people closer or fully a part of the elite. They're the people who could pass their ideas and experiences through the time. It's more or less like reading Bezos' journal two centuries from now and imagining that it's probably a representative way of life for the early 21st century.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by _notreallyme_ on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:13AM (#26697162)
I meant that passport were ot required for traveling inside Europe before WWI. Crossing borders didn't require to obtain a document beforehand.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by dudeinjapan on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:24AM (#26696909)
I think he's referring to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhM0nds2UY
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by effie on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:41AM (#26698206)
Wow, how does he make that ball and coin levitate. Is this a CGI prank?
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by dudeinjapan on Sunday April 11, 2021 @06:02AM (#26769070)
No it's not CGI. Here's another view and you can see at 7:00 he does a similar setup where there's a large ball placed on his head which he removes before doing the smaller floating ball, which gives him some excuse to touch his head. I'm guessing there is an invisible string dangling down off his forehead because the ball always floats in alignment with his head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqHLeXeecY

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by effie on Sunday April 11, 2021 @08:36AM (#26769920)
You're definitely on to something. In both videos he touches his head and then spins the small ball. Still the execution is amazing.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by coldtea on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:21AM (#26697216)
Sorry, high-brow (I'm a notorious typo-ist). There's a high culture European dialogue that's been going on for a millenium at least, and even more intensely in the 18th and 19th and 20th centuries...

Both in the social scene (upper-middle classes and above travelling around Europe), and in the explicit and implicit exchange of influences and ideas between philosophers, writers, poets, musicians, painters, and so on.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by hectorlorenzo on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:43AM (#26697341)
Although I really like the idea of 18th century aristocratic Bros. Bumping gloved fists, downing full kegs of claret, and quoting Thomas Hobbes instead of Simon Sinek.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by coldtea on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:08AM (#26697943)
Well, I'd say romantic poets and enlightenment philosophers kind of were :-)
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by midasuni on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:16AM (#26696846)
High brow

Opera, music, art, literature etc

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by edeion on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:37AM (#26696996)
Thanks, I learned a new word :)

I thought OP was referring to the fact European upper noble families were all blood related and shared the same interests.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by asplake on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:42AM (#26697022)
The word’s origins are more dubious unfortunately: https://www.brainpickings.org/2011/08/23/the-myth-of-pop-cul...
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by slavik81 on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:57AM (#26697094)
> The terms ‘highbrow’ and ‘lowbrow’ come from phrenology
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by wombatmobile on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:31AM (#26696957)
The “high-bro sphere” is a circle of Europeans who are so culturally advanced they are not even a circle - they are a sphere.

They sit around in their special sphere saying things like “The Economist is pretentious, market-driven, and stupid, like Eurovision.”

Then they say “Yeah bro, high five!” like Borat.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by coldtea on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:27AM (#26697251)
Not sure what you mean here, but there appears to be a lot of resistance to the idea that, god forbid, anybody anywhere in the world might have a higher education and/or appreciate something more than pop culture.
Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by wombatmobile on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:08AM (#26697535)
I like opera, renaissance art, pop culture, rock music, Impressionism, jazz, and kitsch, amongst other things.

I’m not sure what you mean by “more than” pop culture.

There is good art and bad art in all genres, which are just mediums of cultural communication that reach different audiences.

I didn’t understand the reductionist criticism of The Economist, which I have found to publish numerous examples of good criticism and bad criticism, about a range of topics, mostly to do with economics, and occasionally culture.

I don’t think culture is The Economist’s forte. They probably don’t either, except when cultural platforms have measurable economic consequences.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by coldtea on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:10AM (#26697959)
>I’m not sure what you mean by “more than” pop culture.

Basically that aside from there being "good art and bad art in all genres" there are is also more substantial and less substantial forms and artistic cultures.

Re:Streaming subtitled box sets is the new Eurovision by wombatmobile on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:18AM (#26698023)
How do you measure "substantial"?