Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by bratcomplex on Sunday April 04, 2021 @01:52AM
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Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by dehrmann on Saturday April 03, 2021 @04:36PM
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That might have been an intentional choice if they knew either they'd sell to suckers and leave them on the hook for the new battery, or have to subsidize a new battery in 5 years, knowing it would be cheaper, like writing a call on batteries.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by theshrike79 on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:02PM
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The battery had literally zero temperature management, no heating or cooling. They literally could've added a 12 volt chassis fan to make it not suck so bad.
Rapidgate was a thing, the battery heated up when driving, you stop to recharge -> battery heats up even more -> overheat -> limiters engage and you're charging at hand crank levels of power.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by sokoloff on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:16PM
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The LEAF has a battery heater. It does suck for having only passive cooling.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by tonyedgecombe on Saturday April 03, 2021 @05:18PM
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The funny thing is their electric vans do have thermal battery management.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by manmal on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:14PM
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The Leaf was built with Japanese climate in mind, where peak temperatures are usually not as high. I always found that strange, given that automotive components are usually tested for outlier conditions.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by jsight on Sunday April 04, 2021 @09:56AM
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AFAIK, it also overheats under CHAdeMO charging in very cold temperatures. I don't think it was the climate, just saving $$.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by astrange on Saturday April 03, 2021 @08:43PM
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Is that historical or recent Japanese climate? It's gotten worse lately - Tokyo at 35C 100% humidity is still not Death Valley but it's unpleasant for humans and presumably batteries too.
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by kybishop on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:53PM
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A Korean car company made a car with the Japanese climate in mind? Perhaps you meant the Korean climate?
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by sokoloff on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:55PM
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Are you under the mistaken impression that Nissan, maker of the LEAF, is a Korean car company? (They are a Japanese company.)
Re:Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
by m463 on Sunday April 04, 2021 @12:20PM
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The main reason the leaf had bad degradation was the 24kwh battery size. People charged them to 100%, drove a good portion of their capacity each day, and cycled the battery often.
In comparison, a tesla could charge to 80%, never drain to below 20%, and charge weekly instead of daily.
However, battery prices are going drop further. Your Leaf has a 24kWh pack. At the current $100/kwh price, thats $2400 for a completely new battery. In the future I'm sure you could get an even higher capacity replacement.