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Re:Who Owns the Nile? by baybal2 on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:01PM (#26674744)
I know how it will work. Most likely nothing will happen. Egyptian regime is very fragile, and will not risk a foreign intervention while having to suppress monthly uprisings back home.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by sremani on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:18PM (#26674940)
The crisis of lack of water is bigger, who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt.

Egypt more than one occasion came close to doing something like that. Long story short. Who ever has better military capabilities will own the Nile.

Egypt can use Suez as another piece to get Europe to accept its bombing campaign.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by baybal2 on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:53PM (#26675268)
> who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt.

Would they? GERD destruction = tsunami on the nile, possibly setting a chain reaction through downstream dams.

Sisi has now managed to beat even Murbarak on getting the lowest rating on record from any semblance of legit polls done nowadays.

Turkey is all over Ethiopia, and Sudan on top of that. And Sisi has a paranoid fear of Turkish involvement, either back home as a subversion, or a direct attack from Turkish African bases.

Turkey staring Sisi down from all sides is by far a much bigger concern to him than Ethiopians waving their MiG 21s at him.

If he has a gram of gray matter, he will not push Ethiopians further towards decision on Turkish military base.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by HorkHunter on Friday April 02, 2021 @05:15PM (#26676076)
That is really old news. read the current situation between Turkey and Egypt, which is actually getting better https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-egypt-diplomacy-id...
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by bumbada on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:35PM (#26675142)
They face retaliations with the Aswan dam.

Egypt can not use Suez, because the US, Europe and Israel will intervene for sure on that particular case against Egypt and Egypt will lose for sure.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by golemiprague on Friday April 02, 2021 @04:30PM (#26675631)
Israel will not intervene because it has a peace treaty with Egypt which is much more important than starting some stupid war on the behalf of foreign countries. Since the war with Egypt in 1956 Israel only had wars with entities which directly attacked Israel and even in 1956 there were some excuses due to attacks by the Fedayun that came from Egyptian area and to the fact that the Egyptian blockaded the entranc to the Israeli port on the red sea.

If anything they will just dig a canal or create some route from Eilat port to Ashdod port and make some profit out of the whole situation.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by yyyk on Friday April 02, 2021 @04:24PM (#26675555)
Egypt doesn't have the capability. Their air force has too little range and too little refueling capability.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by sudosysgen on Saturday April 03, 2021 @01:33AM (#26678640)
Not exactly. in these situations they would bomb the GERD then ditch, out of fuel, in international waters ready to be picked up or in Sudan. It's been done before. For really high value targets range doesn't matter as much.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by yyyk on Saturday April 03, 2021 @06:45AM (#26679893)
Which means they couldn't maneuver at all at the attack site, making themselves extremely vulnerable; Furthermore, a dam is an highly fortified target by nature, making serious damage requires very heavy bombs, not sure they could make it even as a one way trip if they are properly armed.

IMHO, most likely result of an attack (for Egypt) is that Egypt loses a part of its airforce in return for temporarily harming Ethiopia's ability to generate electricity at the site. At which point Ethiopia fills the dam anyway and works on repairing the damage, while Egypt wouldn't be able to repeat this.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by sudosysgen on Saturday April 03, 2021 @03:32PM (#26683991)
They could certainly maneuver at the attack site - there is very limited depth for Ethiopian defences as the dam is only ten miles from the Sudanese border.

But yes, the planes would be expendable. That said, Egypt could very well breach the dam itself. It would needs some creative use of munitions but modern munitions are precise enough to allow for breaching of dams.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by HorkHunter on Friday April 02, 2021 @05:27PM (#26676188)
That was the case before they bought the Rafale from France I guess
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by Freestyler_3 on Friday April 02, 2021 @05:34PM (#26676226)
Why bomb a damn when you can hack it.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by masoeg on Saturday April 03, 2021 @09:06AM (#26680747)
i dont think boombing the dam is a popular thing in egypt
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by HorkHunter on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:03PM (#26674772)
The difference is, regardless of political divisions, everyone in Egypt totally understands that they are doomed without water. so the mentality there is slowly shifting towards "well, if we are dying anyway...."
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by slibhb on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:20PM (#26674953)
I think a war with Ethiopia would help the Egyptian regime, assuming it went well. And it probably would because Egypt's military is the strongest in the region minus Israel.

The real question is what Sudan would do (probably lie down for the Egyptians).

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by AnimalMuppet on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:33PM (#26675126)
Maybe Sudan would help Egypt. They use the Nile's water too.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by HorkHunter on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:50PM (#26675250)
They had a joint training Air force operation 2 days ago named "Nile Eagles"

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/egypt-sudan-hold-nile-e...

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by bumbada on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:30PM (#26675088)
Ethiopia is probably the only nation in Africa that has not been dominated by foreign powers.

The reason is the topography. Ethiopia has lots of mountains, like Switzerland and it is painful to attack.

Any foreign nation helping Ethiopia could mean disaster for Egypt.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by inglor_cz on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:42PM (#26675207)
Controlling the entire Ethiopia would be a huge challenge, but the war objective in a fight over the Nile is much more limited in scope.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by slibhb on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:34PM (#26675134)
I suppose in war you never know. But the dam is 10 miles from the Sudanese border.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by gorkemyurt on Friday April 02, 2021 @04:34PM (#26675679)
"Egypt's military is the strongest in the region minus Israel." and minus Turkey
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by kevin_b_er on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:30PM (#26675085)
If it becomes an existential threat to Egypt via the Nile drying up, then the Egyptian people themselves will want war.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by medium_burrito on Friday April 02, 2021 @04:29PM (#26675625)
No need to intervene in the ear of 5th gen wars, especially when Ethiopia effectively has a civil war going on.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by onetimemanytime on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:24PM (#26675014)
Water is life or death. So they might have to try it.

Go block oil extraction in the Arab world and USA will be all over you...national interest.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by luckylion on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:56PM (#26675291)
> Go block oil extraction in the Arab world and USA will be all over you...national interest.

You mean like they did in the 70ies when the opec cartel cut oil production for political reasons? yeah...

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by sremani on Friday April 02, 2021 @03:25PM (#26675028)
not any more (vis USA and Arab world) - is the fifth fleet still there in persian gulf ?
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by BurningFrog on Friday April 02, 2021 @04:19PM (#26675514)
Not anymore. The US is an oil exporting nation now.
Re:Who Owns the Nile? by martinpw on Saturday April 03, 2021 @03:41AM (#26679050)
> The US is an oil exporting nation now.

That is irrelevant. Oil is fungible. Block oil exports from the Middle East and the price of oil skyrockets worldwide including in the US.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by dukeyukey on Saturday April 03, 2021 @07:54AM (#26680299)
Not necessarily.

From 1975 to 2015 the US had a law banning most crude oil exports from the US (aside from Canada and partially Mexico), effectively creating a separate North America-only oil market. It wouldn't take much for the US to reinstate this ban, meaning oil produced in the US stays in the US. And since the US is a net oil exporter, that means North American oil prices will stay low and stable.

Re:Who Owns the Nile? by BurningFrog on Sunday April 04, 2021 @12:34PM (#26690840)
As an oil exporting nation, rising oil prices are now good for the US!