Stop buying things from China - look for alternatives. Next time you buy something major look into where it is sourced. If there is something you buy a lot of from China look for an alternative.

An unpopular answer: we can't do anything. This is about maturity of the mankind. Long ago it was expected to eat your enemies "to gain their power". Now it's labor camps for enemies of the state. Soon labor camps will be replaced by exile on remote islands (just like brits sent people they didn't like to australia). In distant future we'll just ignore the outcasts.

The answer is war. It's really that simple. Do we want to bear that cost? Personally my answer is please God no, but that doesn't mean war isn't the only real option.

We got South Africa to end apartheid without war. Let's try a boycott before getting all hot with a major nuclear power, right?

Comparing the prc to south africa makes as much sense as me saying war between the usa and china is no biggie because the usa quickly won in Granada.

Wat? If anything, China's ability to wage war (compared to SA) should make us more inclined to look for a cold/peaceful solution.

The CCP are quite image conscious. All people are really asking is that they treat the Uighurs in a normal manner rather than trying to overthrow the CCP.

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Don't believe everything you read on the news.

Occurrence of war based on fake allegations isn't rare in our history. We now have enough motivation to have a war against China and human rights isn't one of them. It's all about power and that's why there is so much focus on media about it.

Why nobody talks about KSA/Saudis? We have strong proof for all the terrible things they have done and they are still our dear partner. It's all BS if you ask me. Everything is about power and interest.

Travel to China and see what they are doing. China isn't an utopia, but most of the Chinese are happy about their progress. They complain about lack of freedom of speech but they also celebrate their victory in ending extreme poverty. They also have a lot of respect for western values unlike what politicians are trying to make you believe. It's pretty significant that they have order with a population of over 1.4 billion, most of whom were not educated.

You must be joking as this kind of war would be WW3 and the end of life. We need to sanction the shit out of the people closest to the problem and get the UN out there to investigate.

I have no doubt it would be carnage unlike the world has ever seen. But honestly the real joke is expecting the UN to be able to do anything meaningful. This is an organization that is so politically impotent they can't even stop genocides in places like Sub saharan africa, like they will be able to do anything against a premier world power that sits on the permanent security council. No one likes it but war is a serious answer, calling for UN investigations, well you might as well throw a bottle in the ocean and hope someone in a landlocked country gets your message.

Nuclear war ends badly for all the participants and their allies, no exception. And not great for everyone else either.

When was the last time the US fought another nation with nuclear weapons?

You're right of course the fact that something has never happened is strong evidence that something will never happen

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> Cool, China just spent $1 on me or is it 10 cents. What’s the going rate?

With the current rampant nationalism in China - likely nothing. They created a self protecting system. Especially with introduction of the social credits.

The Biden administration levied sanctions on a couple CCP officials a few days ago.

It's very likely that economic sanctions will cause more harm to the Chinese than the harm done to the Uyghurs, and has a poor record of it's intended regime change. They are not a solution to a humanitarian crisis.

Economic sanctions should aim at the top of Chinese society. Magnitsky type sanctions on officials. Things like preventing every political official or wealthy businessman and their family from travel, going to western universities and all these things they are now used to (and which they wouldn’t be happy to lose).

>Economic sanctions should aim at the top of Chinese society. Magnitsky type sanctions on officials.

Though an improvement over blanket sanctions, I suspect the rich would use it as an excuse to squeeze more out of the poor.

Additionally, I doubt the widespread abandonment of due process will truly make the people more friendly towards the West. You'd be targeting potentially millions, and any borderline case is a PR disaster. Imagine something like "mailman for forty years loses savings due to US attack."

It's intention is not regime change. It's directly making slave labor unprofitable. Sure it's a whack-a-mole of sorts, but it at least makes things clear for everyone involved.

So usually Joe Rando does not care when he is shopping, but at least he can't and doesn't fund more labor camps indirectly.

>It's directly making slave labor unprofitable.

At the cost of making a billion non-slave laborers also unprofitable. Sure, removing that billion from the labor pool may help other workers, but that's a huge sacrifice.

> It's directly making slave labor unprofitable.

That only works if sanctions apply to slave labor, but not to comparable non-slave-labor. Sanctions based on geographic region ("Made in China"/"Made in Xinjiang") ethnicity ("Made by Uyghurs") or product category (cotton) can't achieve that, because they don't apply differential pressure that allows non-enslaving businesses to outcompete enslaving ones (and then hire former slaves as free workers), they affect both equally.

To make differential pressure work, the first step is knowing who you're dealing with, which means having dedicated inspection teams working their way down supply chains to record labor conditions on the ground. Once you do have that information, highly targeted sanctions can be used to force change.

Sorry, I wasn't detailed enough. Sanctions help other countries', so let's say the Vietnamese cotton producers.

> dedicated inspection teams

That would be a very welcome development in international labor/human rights.

Helping other countries may be a good thing (although the Vietnamese government's human rights record isn't that great) but it doesn't offer a way out to current victims of forced labor, who can't just move to another country to benefit from the improved conditions there. Do you think they'd just get released once exploiting them becomes unprofitable? That would put a bunch of angry unemployed people on the streets, so the security services are unlikely to be in favor. The most likely path forward would be gradually transferring them into regular work, which works best if such work is available, i.e. there's no blanket ban making everything equally unprofitable.

Usually sanctioned countries have quite a lot of room for domestic economic growth, most obstacles are internal inefficiencies (like human rights abuses, inefficient ideology based policies), and naturally since the sanctions are a direct result of some alleged problem, as the problem is getting addressed the sanctions can be too. Diplomacy never rests.