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Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by ArkanExplorer on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:10AM (#26620408)
Designed to move empty boxes via suction, as far as I can see in the video. How does it handle boxes that actually contain heavy objects?
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by fiftyfifty on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:06PM (#26623898)
I took a tour of the Celestial Seasonings tea company in Boulder, Colorado many years ago and they had a robot arm for loading pallets very much like this one, except it was fixed to the floor. It had the same suction type mechanism and would grab boxes off a conveyer and stack them on pallets to be shipped out. It was very efficient at it's job and definitely was the highlight of the tour for me, even if it wasn't intended to be. Boxes full of tea are not very heavy, but certainly weigh more than an empty box. The point being is the suction mechanism for picking up boxes has been around for a long time (20+ years?), is tried and tested, and in this very article claims it can handle boxes of up to 50 pounds.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by amelius on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:26AM (#26620535)
For those you simply increase the ambient pressure in the room.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by Geee on Monday March 29, 2021 @07:08PM (#26629468)
Now I'm wondering if it would actually make sense in some settings to fill the place with water and use waterproof containers that match the density of water. You could move stuff in 3D with small submarine robots.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by halfmatthalfcat on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:05AM (#26622814)
Reminds me of TNG: Déjà Q, in order to move something of large mass simply “change the gravitational constant of the universe.” Thanks John De Lancie.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by tomcam on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:45AM (#26622457)
Beautiful
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by djmips on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:18AM (#26623026)
Not unlike the Alcubierre drive approach. (please downvote this)
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by craftinator on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:29AM (#26622147)
Comments like this are why I come to HN! Both true, and satirical. Well done!
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by djmips on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:19AM (#26623032)
Comments like that are why you go to Reddit.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by yellowapple on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:42PM (#26630117)
You'd think someone who's been here as long as you have would be well aware of the guideline re: "omg hn is turning into reddit" comments.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by halfmatthalfcat on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:20PM (#26625128)
Damn, no levity allowed on HN now.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by emteycz on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:47AM (#26623570)
No, we go to reddit for comments like yours.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by javahippie on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:26AM (#26620534)
The manufacturer states it can "grab and move boxes up to 23 kilograms (50 lbs) in weight"
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by numpad0 on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:40AM (#26622365)
Problem is boxes are not necessarily designed to be suspended in the air by lids
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by jlarocco on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:27PM (#26628381)
I don't see what the problem is.

Realistically, any company investing in one of these robots is going to make sure it's right for their workflow and that they're using boxes capable of being lifted this way.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by yellowapple on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:46PM (#26630135)
Would that happen before or after that company already sunk money on one of these robots?

Most boxes are designed to withstand inward pressures, not necessarily outward. And those specs are based on a lot more thorough of testing than "well we tried it a couple times and it didn't break, so I guess we're good"; I'd need to see one of these handling a lot of boxes without issue before I'd throw it into a warehouse.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by bluGill on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:39AM (#26621348)
Humans are only expected to be able to life 50lbs, you can go a little heavier, but it is no longer a weight that you can safely expect anyone to lift. You need to hire for strength to go above 50lbs. At 75lbs two humans are required to work as a team to lift for safety reasons (weight lifters can go beyond 600lbs alone, but not workers). I'm not sure where the next cutoff is, you soon need mechanical help to move anything.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by 0xdba on Monday March 29, 2021 @10:43AM (#26622423)
Weight lifters can go beyond 50+ lbs, safely, only if the weight is basically in barbell (or dumbbell, or whatever) format. A large 100lb box isn't being lifted by any smart weightlifter alone.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by leoc on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:05AM (#26622817)
The World's Strongest Man format contains a number of events that are probably a lot closer to real workplace lifting tasks than barbell events are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Man#Compet... . Though of course those full competition weights are very much an upper bound and wouldn't be viable as everyday one-man lifts even if you hired elite strongmen to be your warehouse operatives.

OTOH 73kg (160lb) full beer kegs still get a fair bit of one-man manhandling, and to be a proper professional scaffolder you have to be able to lift a full-length scaffolding pole (just under 30kg, apparently?) from flat off the ground to straight up above your head, partly one-handed in one smooth movement, several times a day routinely.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by fiftyfifty on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:13PM (#26624017)
Hopefully no one that handles beer kegs for a living is lifting full ones. They have special dollies for handling beer kegs, they even have special attachments for fork lifts for picking them up. I've never been to a brewery where anyone was picking up beer kegs by themselves.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by Teever on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:28PM (#26629085)
You've also never been to a bar where the owner is too cheap to buy one of those dollies. Or rather you have, but you've just never been to the back of the bar where a porter is lifting those full gets up and down a rickety set of stairs.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by anon_tor_12345 on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:22AM (#26623078)
as the person below commented strongmen train for the "atlas stones" event which involves lifting (arguably more difficult) spheres weighing from 50 to 339 pounds and placing them atop a shelf. there are also plenty of people that do "tire flips" (myself being one such person) where you lift and flip tires ranging from ~100lbs to >500lbs (and i'm not some kind of 99 percentile lifter).
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by vl on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:35PM (#26628466)
And yet UPS just successfully delivered 88 pound kettlebell to my doorstep.
Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by ArkanExplorer on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:54AM (#26620822)
Here's the video Boston Dynamics released, showing the robot in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYUuWWnfRsk

As far as I can see, boxes are picked up from one side, or the top. Some boxes would collapse due to this uneven distribution of force - a human worker would normally pick up a box from both sides, or the bottom.

Re:Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move... by chiph on Monday March 29, 2021 @09:50PM (#26630526)
If you've got boxes full of lead, there's not much to be done other than redesign everything from the start. But for a box that's moderately heavy - you use more suction cups, increase the vacuum, change the arm path to make the motion smoother, use a coated cardboard to improve the suction cup seal, or other tricks.