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Re:Is that ship still stuck? by nine_k on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:09PM (#26586165)
Apparently, there are no watertight gates anywhere near.

Filling in the entire canal is unrealistic.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by _Microft on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:21PM (#26586320)
What if we could part the water at both sides of the ship? Would that suffice as makeshift gates?

The Egyptians had a bad experience with that in the past though and lost a lot of gear and many men in an incident. Might be understandable if they didn’t want to do that again.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by nomy99 on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:53PM (#26586650)
Let me call moses, hold on.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by NicoJuicy on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:24PM (#26588173)
Cofferdams could be viable

Relevant feedback on pro's/cons: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26587692

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by NicoJuicy on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:19PM (#26586283)
I'm not saying the entire canal. Surround the boat, make a dam somehow.

Concrete is dry in 24-48 hours. Sand and wooden poles could be enough.

Some ideas on the how, could be found in this video, on how they created a bridge in the middle ages: https://youtu.be/nJgD6gyi0Wk

I'm pretty sure engineers could find better/faster solutions than what I'm proposing.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by cricalix on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:34PM (#26586466)
The canal is 200 metres wide, 25ish metres deep. Gotta think in the cube, because now you're talking volume. I have zero idea what thickness you're going to need for your dam, but I'm going to spitball and say 10 metres at the top, and 30 metres at the bottom to get a slope like you'd see on something like the Hoover Dam.

This means you need to provide .. lets see, a trapezoidal cross section is 500 square metres.. 100,000 cubic metres of filler. Twice. And then you probably need to curve it to resist the pressure, so that's a bit of a lowball figure. You can't dam any less, because the ship is stuck sideways across the canal.

Using some old numbers for concrete pours in Ireland (2016 era) per cubic metre, that's 7.5 million Euro worth of concrete. Sure, you're not going to use pure concrete like that though - you'd probably start dropping massive boulders in first, and then try to cap/fill it.

Have a read of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands to get a feel for how long it takes to lay in that much material..

And then you have to dig it all back up to reopen the canal.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by NicoJuicy on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:27AM (#26590799)
160 km of protection against 2m. High waves to build something on unstable soil isn't exactly the same thing as this, is it.

They need some construction which they can add water faster than it escapes the container, to raise the water level.

If stacked water based cofferdams would be a solution ( idk depending on these requirements, current, ..), it could be done quickly if they have the bags ( multiple teams, multiple locations to start and filling the coffers with water as soon as possible). The budget to fix this fast is probably pretty high. A lot would depend on how much they need to raise the water for the pressure, so it wouldn't collapse. ( Fyi, i do think water based coffers would collapse, but perhaps sand ones can be placed in top on it for 1 meter).

Palm islands needed a construction that holds multiple years and isn't the same as the issue in the Suez canal.

Tu be honest, I'm just thinkering about the variables that could make this work, instead of dismissing it immediately.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by Sebb767 on Thursday March 25, 2021 @07:44PM (#26587112)
> Using some old numbers for concrete pours in Ireland (2016 era) per cubic metre, that's 7.5 million Euro worth of concrete.

A sister comment mentioned 400$ million per hour worth of trades being blocked by this, so the cost of this would probably recouped by the time the order is cleared.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by gruez on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:08PM (#26588097)
>A sister comment mentioned 400$ million per hour worth of trades being blocked by this

but it's not $400M lost? If you ordered a $100 package from amazon and it got stuck in transit it's not a $100 loss.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by Sebb767 on Friday March 26, 2021 @01:07AM (#26588918)
Not all. But there are late fees, refunds, profits lost because your ship now has to travel a larger route and can therefore take fewer roubdtrips, increasing costs per roundtrip due to the longer route etc.. If we just assume a meager 1% actual loss, the concrete would be worth it in two hours. Even with the remaining expenses due to work, this should pay for itself rather quickly.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by devdas on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:58AM (#26590354)
Quite a lot of shipped goods have tight delivery schedules requirements.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by KittenInABox on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:12PM (#26588405)
There are fees associated with lateness.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by SubiculumCode on Friday March 26, 2021 @03:58AM (#26589730)
So clearly we just need.to find some sand beavers.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by nullserver on Thursday March 25, 2021 @07:59PM (#26587245)
Lot of heavy containers that aren’t being used at the moment.