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Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by Nursie on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @12:53PM (#26569800)
IIRC TSMC is planning on building fab capacity in the US soon anyway, which adds a new twist to that tale.
Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by gumby on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @01:04PM (#26569978)
To double click on that: TSMC has been playing the geostrategic game for a while. Taiwan wasn't simply a good choice because it had labor, transport access, and a supportive government: it played to certain Cold War issues.

Then as the mainland market developed they increased their mainland footprint as a hedge (makes it harder for the Chinese government to attack TSMC, though as we've seen from Alibaba, Xi appears happy to "move fast and break things"). That did in fact forestall investment in a competitor until recently.

They have also been expanding outside China-Taiwan, distributing their capacity and developing support in the USA and Europe. Worst case (actual shooting war between China and Taiwan) they would have a lot to fall back on.

Hon Hai has followed the same geostrategy (to even greater extreme) with its Foxconn subsidiary.

Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by baybal2 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @05:18PM (#26573068)
> They have also been expanding outside China-Taiwan, distributing their capacity and developing support in the USA and Europe. Worst case (actual shooting war between China and Taiwan) they would have a lot to fall back on.

Very unlikely. In case of a shooting war, the industry will run out of consumables sooner, or later. As a fact, 90%+ of them come from the Taiwan/Japan/Korea triangle, and just any military move in the region will be effectively shutting the industry down globally.

Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by frandroid on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @10:28PM (#26575895)
Which basically ensures no one will start a shooting war.
Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by baybal2 on Thursday March 25, 2021 @05:01AM (#26577858)
> Which basically ensures no one will start a shooting war.

And seeing men thinking so again, 100 years after, only tells that Raymond Poincaré was right.

Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by Nokinside on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @01:22PM (#26570217)
TSMC builds only 25K/month 5nm megafab in Arizona. I suspect that it's mainly for serving the US defense needs.

TSMC's GIGAFABs (> 100K/month) are used for mass manufacturing bleeding edge consumer electronics. They are still build only in Taiwan.

Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by craigjb on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @03:44PM (#26572014)
TSMC's plans for Arizona have been increased to start with 100k per month with future phases up to 200k [1]

[1] https://technosports.co.in/2021/03/03/tsmc-to-build-5nm-plan...

Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by avs733 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @02:02PM (#26570807)
Another way of looking at TSMC's Arizona fab is similar FAB 68 in Dalian, which still seems to have largely been built for strategic relationship building purposes.
Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by varispeed on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @02:48PM (#26571407)
I wish TSMC decided to go with the UK. We have ARM here, RPi and others plus very talented people. Hopefully one day it will happen.
Re:Intel Unleashed, Gelsinger on Intel, IDM 2.0 by Daho0n on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:08PM (#26575346)
With Brexit, it won't.