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Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by joshstrange on Thursday March 04, 2021 @06:58PM (#26350309)
This isn't something I would be even remotely capable of doing myself and I probably don't understand the vast majority of what they are talking about but I absolutely love that this exists and there are people who enjoy digging into and doing a nice write up about it.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by brokenmachine on Friday March 05, 2021 @12:37AM (#26353182)
Yeah, I've been interested in learning assembly/reverse engineering/ghidra at some stage, but reading stuff like this by people who understand what a computer's doing to this level makes me despair for my own lack of knowledge.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by jml7c5 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @08:04PM (#26351008)
You can always learn! You're just a few books away from the knowledge.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by faitswulff on Thursday March 04, 2021 @09:18PM (#26351673)
Which books?
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by mhh__ on Thursday March 04, 2021 @09:27PM (#26351753)
I think the raw reverse engineering knowhow generally comes from reading and writing low level code and reverse engineering other people's.

Atop of that you also need understanding of computer architecture, for which I vaguely recommend Hen.&Pat. but again you get this knowledge by playing around mainly.

A bit of compiler design would help too if you want to write one of these - Engineering a compiler is a good one.

Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by msie on Thursday March 04, 2021 @10:40PM (#26352327)
I hope those same people are looking into the M1 SSD mystery.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by kirugan on Friday March 05, 2021 @04:32PM (#26362395)
What mystery?
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by rapidlua on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:28PM (#26348614)
I wonder if they do indeed compute a checksum of the binary to come up with a aot-translation cache key. Must be quite ineffficient.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by Slartie on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:46PM (#26348848)
Not if your SSD delivers data at more than 2500MB/sec, as the one in the MacBook Air with M1 does. SHA256 calculation can probably be performed at that speed as well, thanks to dedicated silicon, so even a large 250MB binary (haven't seen those in any other use case than browsers) would be hashed in a tenth of a second. Not noticeable at all, if it's just once, at startup.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by saagarjha on Thursday March 04, 2021 @06:23PM (#26349953)
This also sounds like something that could be cached if the file doesn’t change.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by codetrotter on Thursday March 04, 2021 @06:40PM (#26350128)
I think there is no good way of doing that. Each time the user tries to run a x86_64 binary you’d have to actually checksum, or otherwise check the content of, the x86_64 binary to know if you have a translated version of it already.

inode meta data such as timestamps are insufficient I think. They can be tampered with.

Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by derefr on Thursday March 04, 2021 @07:37PM (#26350738)
> inode meta data such as timestamps are insufficient I think. They can be tampered with.

In macOS, there is a security-policy layer of some kind on top of xattrs, separate from the security-policy of the file itself. `com.apple.rootless` is an example of an xattr protected by this mechanism: users (even root) can't apply or remove `com.apple.rootless` from files on a filesystem mounted as the rootfs.

With this mechanism, it'd likely be possible to give executable binaries an xattr containing the checksum, generated by Gatekeeper+Rosetta, that the user couldn't modify, while still being able to otherwise modify/delete the file. (And, presumably, modifying the file would automatically invalidate/remove the checksum xattr.)

Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by saagarjha on Thursday March 04, 2021 @09:36PM (#26351820)
The kernel is aware when files are modified.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by anyfoo on Thursday March 04, 2021 @10:52PM (#26352428)
That's not generally applicable, e.g. not if files are on an external drive, or worse, a network filesystem (where they can change even during use).
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by saagarjha on Saturday March 06, 2021 @06:32AM (#26366742)
In which case falling back on a hash is fine.
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by mhh__ on Thursday March 04, 2021 @10:24PM (#26352207)
Is it? Checksums are something that I use rather than understand, but the CPU is doing billions of instructions per second these days and the hash only happens once
Re:Reverse-engineering Rosetta 2 Part 1: Analyzing AoT files... by rapidlua on Friday March 05, 2021 @01:50AM (#26353656)
Do openssl speed sha256 to get the idea how high the latency for a cache hit would be. I see a throughput of ~300MiB/sec. This can be parallelised easily but still we are burning lots of CPU cycles for nothing. Bad for battery life.

https://gist.github.com/nonylene/d08977e8952c83d20d2c5f7cbaf...