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Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by motogpjimbo on Friday February 26, 2021 @11:14AM (#26276315)
Would you also argue that when companies need additional funding during hard times or to expand, the employees should be forced by law to invest their own money into the company? With harsh penalties if they refuse?

If not, then it seems like someone else is taking all the risk but the employees are reaping all the rewards.

It would be great for me personally if my employer was forced to share his profits with me during the good times. But the reality is that during the hard times - when there's a global pandemic for example - he's the one who has to remortgage his house and max out his credit cards to make payroll, whereas I'm just a guy who can walk away with a month's notice.

Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by hhjinks on Friday February 26, 2021 @12:41PM (#26277486)
>Would you also argue that when companies need additional funding during hard times or to expand, the employees should be forced by law to invest their own money into the company

What, you mean, like, bailouts? Because we do bailouts. Only difference is that, while the taxpayers pay, they see no return.

Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by foolinaround on Friday February 26, 2021 @04:56PM (#26280327)
Only those with lobbying clout get bailouts. See the situation of the small businesses now...
Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by Chris2048 on Friday February 26, 2021 @05:35PM (#26280675)
When did the VG industry get a bailout?
Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by AngryData on Friday February 26, 2021 @01:41PM (#26278169)
No, because that was their risk to take in starting a business and if it fails the worst position they are in is the exact position their employees were always in. Businesses should have no guarantees, individual people on the other hand probably should, if not for moral or ethical reasons, just for the fact that it improves our economy, our culture, and out entire society.

Artificially supporting failing businesses has negative consequences upon society, supporting a struggling individual has positive benefits to society.

Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by IQunder130 on Saturday February 27, 2021 @11:00AM (#26285636)
So you agree that business takes on the risk, but then go around to say profits should then be redistributed by law? Where is the incentive to do business then? Why is artificially supporting failing businesses bad, yet artificially punishing successful ones not?
Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by boomboomsubban on Friday February 26, 2021 @11:22AM (#26276419)
Right, putting your time into working for a struggling company isn't taking any risk, and the executives deserve further rewards than just their salary.
Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by toyg on Friday February 26, 2021 @12:29PM (#26277344)
The reality of LTD companies is precisely that investors don’t have to do that. If the company goes under, well, too bad; they will take some of the fat accumulated in good years, and start again. That’s the whole point of modern capitalism: the capitalist is insulated from the worst outcomes of his enterprise.

At the moment, the risk/reward equation is unbalanced. For owners, it goes from outsized risk at startup to outsized reward at success; for employees, it goes from outsized risk at startup to moderate risk at success

Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by jlawson on Friday February 26, 2021 @07:47PM (#26281605)
Employees do not take the same risk as owners/founders.

If a startup fails:

Founder loses two years, his life savings, and gets paid nothing.

Employee loses two years, keeps his life savings, and gets paid salary for that time.

Completely different risk propositions.

Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by toyg on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:06AM (#26283839)
Owners can (and do) draw a salary in the same way as employees, and don’t lose any life saving they have not invested, same as employees. If the business die they end up without a source of income, same as employees. If the business succeeds they reap much bigger rewards than employees. I should know, I was one.
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Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by sigstoat on Friday February 26, 2021 @12:11PM (#26277082)
> I know programmers are insulated and have a very warped view of the world

look in the mirror.

most businesses aren't giant megacorps owned by folks with yachts.

and, hell, the megacorps? large chunks of them are owned by folks without yachts, too.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AAPL/holders?p=AAPL

this sort of hyperbolic rage only makes understanding and improving things harder.

Re:Anime is booming, so why are animators living in poverty? by analognoise on Friday February 26, 2021 @12:42PM (#26277496)
They already got a 1.9T tax cut. It's hard not to have rage when we're collectively getting fucked.

I know there are a lot of wantrepeneurs here, but let's not pretend we're all not mostly still...workers.