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Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by iso1631 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @12:55PM (#26265774)
Gamestop went from 90 to 140 overnight in late/early trading - when retail on reddit are locked out.

This isn't a reddit, or even retail, pump and dump.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by aphextron on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:30PM (#26266285)
>Gamestop went from 90 to 140 overnight in late/early trading - when retail on reddit are locked out.

Retail traders were not "locked out". Practically every retail brokerage offers extended hours trading, many from 4AM to 9PM.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by outworlder on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:24PM (#26267014)
Extended hours vary a lot between brokers. Not all offer premarket. Aftermarket tends to be 1h after close for the vast majority.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by selectodude on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:52PM (#26267392)
TD Ameritrade offers 7am to 8pm. You just need a real brokerage.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by edoceo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @03:58PM (#26268228)
To add: those are New Youk timezone
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by fractionalhare on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:57PM (#26266642)
It's both retail and institutional.

Retail traders can't swing that kind of volume in the underlying shares, no. But retail call buying as a proportion of total equity options volume is up massively in the past two years. The trading leverage inherent to retail call options herding together combined with the requirement for market makers to hedge the options they sell induces these huge movements. From there, momentum traders exacerbate the spark that's already lit.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by BasedInfra on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:09PM (#26265994)
You think big finance is shorting ETFs with a combined value in the trillions to put downward pressure on GME stock price?
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:09PM (#26265997)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Something's up, that's all I know (along with level 2 data). $16.8 billion dollars lost so far and counting. That's real money.

https://i.imgur.com/Rz1kUp7.mp4

EDIT: https://twitter.com/deitaone/status/1364957363724288000 "Gamestop Short Sellers Estimated To Have Lost $818 Million On Their Bearish Bets on Wednesday - Ortex"

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by fractionalhare on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:47PM (#26266517)
That is false. $16.8B is greater than Melvin's AUM at the start of the year. The person in that video doesn't substantiate their claim either.

As a more general aside: take everything said on Cramer's show with a grain of salt. He is a deeply unserious character in the financial space. His angle is to be provocative, not accurate.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:50PM (#26266553)
Do you have a citation you can offer up with more solid loss numbers? It looks like Melvin alone has lost at least $4.5 billion dollars on the GME short trade, and Citadel/Point72 provided ~$2.75 billion in capital to Melvin.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-retail-trading-melvin/mel...

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by fractionalhare on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:58PM (#26266662)
That is the citation. The person in that clip is speculating about Melvin's losses in particular.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by toomuchtodo on Friday February 26, 2021 @10:46PM (#26282411)
Came across a citation that aligns closer to the $16.8B number quoted on the video citation I provide further upthread.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/29/gamestop-short-sellers-are-s...

> Short-selling hedge funds have suffered a mark-to-market loss of $19.75 billion year to date in the brick-and-mortar video game retailer GameStop, according to data from S3 Partners.

Doesn't attribute losses to specific firms, but the damage is spectacular.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by kryogen1c on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:06PM (#26266768)
> That is false. $16.8B is greater than Melvin's AUM

losses on options contracts arent limited to invested capital. AUM is irrelevant

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by fractionalhare on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:11PM (#26266833)
Yeah I'm aware of that, but Melvin is not bankrupt.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by kryogen1c on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:15PM (#26266887)
oh i get it, i thought you were saying the losses werent possible because it exceed their available captial. youre actually saying the losses arent possible because theyd be out of business.

i withdraw.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by fractionalhare on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:18PM (#26266936)
Yeah in fairness I could have worded that more precisely, but that's the idea :)
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by gruez on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:15PM (#26266078)
Funny to see how upvoted that story is considering a few weeks ago the whole subreddit thought CNBC was "fake news" and in bed with wall st.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by lotsofpulp on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:24PM (#26267018)
That whole subreddit is supposed to a joke, or at least it was.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by cat199 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:23PM (#26266198)
not necessarily - typical failed spin cycle usually tries spin+fud at level 10, when that fails, retrench to level 9, acknowledging some points with their own new spin and fake surprise at 'learning something new', lather, rinse, repeat. Same thing when you call out a compulsive liar in real life. I have 0% doubt that many of the comments in these threads are calling exactly this out.

update: literally 1st pair of comments i read in WSB on this one is:

"Lol Cramer is such a great actor. “What?! Seriously?!” What a douche"

"Is he okay? He was looking off camera so frequently I thought maybe they are holding his wife hostage there or something.

Cramer, buddy, blink twice if we should call the cops."

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @06:13PM (#26269580)
Update: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/gamestop-sho... (“GameStop short-sellers have lost $1.9 billion in just 2 days amid the stock's latest spike”)
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by iso1631 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:16PM (#26266095)
you don't believe "Cable News Boomer Crybabys" do you? /s
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by mikestew on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:06PM (#26265952)
when retail on reddit are locked out

"Retail on reddit" doesn't use a broker that allows after-hours trading? Or am I reading this phrase incorrectly?

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by bo1024 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:45PM (#26266487)
Many of them probably do, but I strongly doubt they're doing a ton of trading after hours. For one thing, the people all excited about gamestop have been talking about it at $40-50 / share, so why would they suddenly all jump in at $150? For another, I read (but don't know how to verify) that after-hours volume was much higher. Doesn't seem likely that retail was much of a factor.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by jobigoud on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:38PM (#26267208)
> why would they suddenly all jump in at $150?

Don't try to apply logic to this, it's meme trading, it's not meant to be rational.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by bo1024 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @03:32PM (#26267884)
Good point. Who knows.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by datalus on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:48PM (#26266518)
Robinhood only allows you to trade for an hour into after hours. WeBull, another retail platform, and I believe thinkorswim (TDA's offering) allows you to trade the full after hours length of time which ends at 8pm EST.

edit: These are the only 3 platforms I have experience with, there are certainly others.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by edoceo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:02PM (#26266718)
Confirming that TD/TOS let's me make trades as GTC_EXT. Good till Closed, Extended Hours (it's till 2000h New York time) and early morning. For gamblers this is like: "hard ways, always working"
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by iso1631 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:13PM (#26266056)
"reddit" being the chatty ones on wsb. Certainly don't claim it from what they write

Of course it could be that nobody posting on reddit has a single share, and all the screenshots are just virtual profiles on various accounts, but if we're assuming what people on reddit are saying is broadly true then that's the case

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by beervirus on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:11PM (#26266843)
Ameritrade does. Not sure about RH.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by viklove on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:39PM (#26266396)
Any reputable broker will let you trade after hours (ETrade, TD, etc.)

If you're still using Robinhood after what they pulled last month... that's on you.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by wdn on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:12PM (#26266038)
Retail cannot move price. We are talking about 100 of million shares traded.

Only in this age that a stock going up is bad.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by iso1631 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:20PM (#26266145)
From what I can tell so far 97 million shares have traded hands today - an average of $140, that's $14 billion spent on shares today alone.

Even if 10 million redditors were buying, that would be $1400 each. That's ridiculous

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by wdn on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:49PM (#26266534)
It will be day trading firm. There are much better stock or futures to day trade as GME properly still requires 100% margin.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by emteycz on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:37PM (#26266365)
Many people are daytrading it
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by postalrat on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:29PM (#26266274)
Could instead be 1400 reddit millionaires.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by CyberDildonics on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:35PM (#26266342)
You think 1400 wallstreetbets readers put in 10 million each over night?
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by dragontamer on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:52PM (#26266576)
> Gamestop went from 90 to 140 overnight in late/early trading - when retail on reddit are locked out.

Retail can buy/sell call options overnight.

The Bloomberg opinion article states:

> Yesterday someone bought thousands of GameStop call options with an $800 strike price expiring tomorrow. They cost 87 cents per share. If the stock closes above $800 tomorrow those options will pay out; also though all notions of money and value and human society will be rendered meaningless, so I don’t know what you’ll do with your payout.

That hypothetical person YOLOing $100,000+ could very easily be a retail investor throwing away money for the lulz. Maybe someone who won big a few months ago and feels fine throwing their excess money away.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by ConcernedCoder on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:25PM (#26267034)
Imagine paying $87.00 for the opportunity to pay $80,000 for 100 shares of Gamestop...
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @07:47PM (#26270293)
Not a bad deal if you'd have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the same number of shares due to market forces.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by dragontamer on Thursday February 25, 2021 @10:32PM (#26271114)
The option expires tomorrow, 2/26 at 4:30pm.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 25, 2021 @11:01PM (#26271230)
Yes, it’s a lottery ticket. An expensive one, but one nonetheless.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by ryeights on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:23AM (#26282875)
> Retail can buy/sell call options overnight.

Options are only traded during market hours.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by cjbenedikt on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:02PM (#26266714)
Ever considered that someone just closed out short call positions ?
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by dragontamer on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:06PM (#26266763)
Open interest declines if someone closes positions.

Open interest increases if someone opens a position.

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Open Interest is well over 10,000 on $800 GME expiring tomorrow. So __somebody__ bought-to-open call options at $800. (I presume the sell-to-open side of that call option is just the Market Maker who happened to close that deal, taking the free money).

This is well over $1-million USD being YOLO'd onto an outrageous bet (that GME is going to be over $800 tomorrow at 4:30pm).

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/gme/option-cha...

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In any case, my point is that retail is absolutely allowed to trade options overnight. Just because stock market is closed doesn't mean that the options-market is closed. The options-market is 24/7.

Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by TameAntelope on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:31PM (#26267110)
You should see the bets people make on the Superbowl, if you think this YOLO is crazy.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by bilekas on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:26PM (#26266237)
I'm inclined to agree.. They drop the CFO, and then this, without much sentiment on reddit like before. Super strange
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by read_if_gay_ on Thursday February 25, 2021 @12:57PM (#26265791)
Similar thing happened the first time as well.
Re:GameStop Is Happening Again by iso1631 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:14PM (#26266075)
For every $50k some YOLO gambler on wsb makes from gambling their beer money, some hedge fund is making $500m (and another is losing $500m).