Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by chaps on Saturday February 20, 2021 @08:07PM
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Yes, but you don't need to use chemical propulsion for 100% of the needed energy -- just a well-timed and well-aimed change in angle to slingshot it off of a gravity well.
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Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by manderley on Saturday February 20, 2021 @08:26PM
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The real answer: It's entirely beyond our capabilities and not achievable at all.
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by fallingknife on Saturday February 20, 2021 @08:57PM
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Not true. Well timed gravitational slingshots have been used on many existing missions. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Solar_Probe
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by ggm on Saturday February 20, 2021 @09:22PM
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Of stable masses capable of analysis in advance to their mechanical properties under thrust. Asteroids are known solely by their orbital elements and we have literally no idea how the specific mass works as an aggregate or bonded entity, under load or stress.
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by fallingknife on Saturday February 20, 2021 @10:08PM
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So strap a rocket to one and find out. If it doesn't work grab another.
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by ggm on Saturday February 20, 2021 @10:28PM
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Having created literal mayhem in an unstable orbit of uncounted masses, ie for a giant externality. Next flight up, don't be within a large amount of space nearby in orbital terms, without care. (Maybe. Im not a kerbal person or an astronomer or flight engineer. This is a precautionary question to risk and to whom it applies)
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by mkl on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:13AM
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Asteroids are very far apart from each other on the whole. Kicking one off in a different direction with a rocket isn't so different from a change in direction from a (rare) collision, except that it will almost certainly only affect one asteroid. ~25% of all the mass in the asteroid belt is the dwarf planet Ceres, which is only 0.0128 the mass of our moon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet)
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by simonh on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:46AM
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There’s a vast amount of rubble flying about any which way up there already. About 100 tons of rock and dust enter the earths atmosphere every day, it’s just that space is so vast the chances of any of it hitting a vehicle are quite small.
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by Dylan16807 on Saturday February 20, 2021 @09:44PM
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You can line up a slingshot with a very low rate of acceleration, though.
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by ggm on Saturday February 20, 2021 @09:50PM
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Yes. I probably overstated my case. How quickly would that deliver a benefit?
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by simonh on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:50AM
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It could take years for each mission, but of course at industrial scale you could have a continuous delivery queue and processing each asteroid could provide months or years worth of material. Think of each asteroid as a new mine being opened up. These initial missions are just proof of concept to test out techniques. You have to start somewhere.
Re:NASA Has Decided to Start Building the Lunar Gateway Usin...
by gary_0 on Saturday February 20, 2021 @08:54PM
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The energy cost of changing something's orbit is not just mass times distance, otherwise launching a 1 metric tonne probe to Mars would have been impossible. Thanks to orbital dynamics, there are a lot of opportunities to get huge bang for your delta-V buck.