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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by cvhashim on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @07:15PM (#26160760)
Man, what are people with children, elderly, or pets doing.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by fulafel on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:05AM (#26163253)
The most ugrent concern is probably for homeless people.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by theshrike79 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:54AM (#26163490)
Not for long. Temperatures like the ones you're having will "solve" the homeless problem in days, unless they've got proper winter gear, winter-rated sleeping bags and the skills to keep a fire burning...

Morbid, yes, but you guys should really get into housing-first for taking care of homelessness.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by JamesBarney on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:04AM (#26163243)
My pets are cold and miserable like us but I don't think they're in any danger of injury. They have thick coats and blankets which go pretty far inside.
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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by com2kid on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @07:32PM (#26160978)
> If your house is 25f, put on a couple sweaters and a coat and have a beer. It’s not the end of the world.

Houses were designed very differently 150 years ago.

Lower roofs, fewer windows, huge thick drapes or tapestries on the walls, animal skins or carpets on the floors.

9 ft windows (double pane or not) on all walls is going to leak out a lot of heat.

Most importantly, fireplaces. Houses had fireplaces, and rooms were designed around a central fireplace to keep everyone warm.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by Johnny555 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:30AM (#26163062)
I'd be surprised if a 150 year old house was insulated and sealed as well as a 20 year old house, even in Texas.

Though you're right that the old house likely had a wood burning heat source, but I'd imagine that there were times when wood was scarce. And that 150 year old fireplace would have sucked air out of the house, bringing in cold air through every air gap.

I looked it up, and wood has an R-value of around 1.4 per inch, so a log cabin with 6" walls would have an R-value of around R8, current building codes in Texas specify R15 for walls, R38 for roofs.

Single-pane windows have an R-value of around R1, energy efficient double panes, around R4 (triple paned can hit R9) so even though there are a lot more windows in a modern house, they have better insulation.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by falcolas on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:16PM (#26161350)
I imagine plumbing contractors in Texas are rubbing their hands together in glee. Frozen, broken pipes everywhere.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by conductr on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:10AM (#26163273)
It’s going to take months to get to everyone too. Contractors here are busy enough as it is.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by Gwypaas on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @07:49PM (#26161114)
Nope, simply bad housing standards leading to no isolation. Passive houses work in the Scandinavia. This is coming from a Swede who lived for a while in Texan suburbia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by falcolas on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:18PM (#26161375)
You can definitely get a passive house in the US; but it's fairly expensive and takes quite a bit of time to pay off.

It also requires somewhat specialized (read: niche and expensive) heating and cooling equipment, since there is so little air movement into and out of the house, and requires so little energy.

Oh, and ironically, when the power's out in a passive house, you need to open a window to ensure you don't over-humidify the house with your breath.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by bjoli on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:43AM (#26164143)
Just better building standards will get you a long way. I live in a house with rather poor energy rating by Swedish standards (E on an A to F scale), yet with 4 people and some sunshine we keep 75m2 (half the house) heated to 20c with -5c outside.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ghaff on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:04AM (#26165849)
They had wood burning heat sources and they didn't have indoor running water. So, as you say, people could gather around fireplace(s) and there were no actual issues associated with the rest of the house being cold.

But for those being very casual about other people sitting around in 25 degree temperatures, that's actually fairly chilly especially if you don't have the clothing and bed coverings for it. And I say that as someone who lives in New England and has done winter camping.

Could I manage modulo piping concerns? Sure. (And I know you can drain pipes but I'd hate to be in a situation where I felt I had to do so in an emergency situation without electricity and then fire things up again when the electricity came back on.) But you're talking about huddling under covers if you don't have wood burning heat.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by bjoli on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:38AM (#26164114)
We had a heater outage recently, with temperatures at about -20c. More than half the house was heated by our fireplace. It churns out something like 7kw when used properly, which is more than enough for that part of the house.

The other part was fine with one 2kw heater for the night. The whole thing was pretty scary. I'll make sure our next house has 2 fireplaces. One m3 of firewood will keep you going for a couple of days, and more importantly: your pipes won't crack.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by byecomputer on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:23AM (#26163340)
My house is 140 years old and it's a sieve with 12 ft ceilings & 9 ft windows... in Iowa.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ghaff on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:07AM (#26165876)
I have about a 200 yo house in Massachusetts. I've had a lot of work done to tighten it up but it still is very drafty in many spots. It has smallish windows and low ceilings but it's definitely not what you would call well-insulated overall.
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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by sn9 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:25PM (#26162275)
Millions of people don't live in suburban homes with grills.

They live in apartments that don't allow grilling so they never thought to buy one. And it being the winter, not many people who do grill in the summer have charcoal for winter grilling.

So when the power goes out, they can't cook anything on their electric ranges. If the water shuts off, that's even worse. Frozen food is useless if you can't even thaw it, let alone cook it.

Initially the weather reports I read said the winter storm warning only extended to Monday afternoon and now it's to Thursday, so lots of people didn't think to extend their emergency supplies to Thursday, and most probably didn't think they'd be without water and power.

I'm really lucky in that I have both water and power, but many are not. You really should not be judging people according to what the most privileged suburbanites can adapt to.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by jasondigitized on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @09:29PM (#26161916)
Fun event? Bruh sit this one out.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ulisesrmzroche on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:04PM (#26161247)
You obviously don’t live anywhere near texas. No houses have insulation for this kind of weather.

It’s like if I went to Canada and started shitting on people unable to deal with 110f weather without electricity .

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by 8note on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:55PM (#26162459)
Insulation works in both directions. If you use AC a lot in summer, the same insulation is doing you good

Without adding heat, you're still not going to stay warm for long though. my window may have been bent so it couldn't close in winter throughout child hood, but we still had a heater on.

Watch out for your windows. Hanging stuff to act like curtains will help

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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ulisesrmzroche on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:40PM (#26161554)
Doubt it. But keep on shitting on people going through a severe weather disaster to make yourself feel better. Guess you really need it
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by lghh on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:32PM (#26162317)
They died, you fucking ghoul. People rely on things now to live that people would have just died without 150 years ago. They had warmer clothes 150 years ago. They had houses with fireplaces and blankets and coats. We can't deal with this because we are not set up to function when this happens any more. People didn't have the same pets 150 years ago we have now. Reptiles or birds? Dead. I just can't imaging the callousness of this comment. People are literally dying and you're telling them to toughen up. Fucking fool.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by listless on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:55PM (#26162458)
More people need to watch “Naked and Afraid” to learn what the human body is capable of withstanding.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ineedasername on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @10:20AM (#26167266)
A "reality" TV show that selects for people capable of handling the show through rigorous medical examinations is not going to provide an accurate picture on what the average person can handle.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by lghh on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @09:29AM (#26166609)
Nah bud, I'm not stoked on grandma on oxygen without power being naked or afraid.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by tjr225 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @11:05PM (#26162540)
I dug through this dudes post history out of pure morbid curiosity and 9 months ago he claimed that COVID-19 was blown out of proportion because, and I quote, “there haven’t been millions of deaths.”

9 months later and there have been millions of deaths. So, take that how you will.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ulisesrmzroche on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @07:58PM (#26161193)
We’re not ready for this kind of weather here in Texas. I’d you’re so smart you should know people 150 years ago lived differently and built their houses differently

Are you without power? I don’t think so. Real easy to talk shit when you’re warm and comfortable. It’s not like you built any infrastructure or built your house, so don’t take credit for keeping it warm

What’s more is that it’s not only hackers and engineers in this situation. There’s a lot of elderly people, sickly people, families with babies, small animals, and so on, that are far more at risk. I made it the two days but I know some of my neighbors didn’t

The real question is why are so many people rubbing their nuts till they pop with schadenfreude, it’s not just you

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by lordgroff on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:26PM (#26161438)
Yeah, living here in Canada, when I read the temperatures I had to rub my eyes in disbelief. Temperatures of -30,-40C are by no means unheard of here but we know it will come every winter. I can't imagine a prolonged, unprepared for infrastructure failure, with houses getting down to minus territory indoors. Sounds terrible.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by stephenhuey on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:56AM (#26163209)
Exactly. Several of us here in Houston are taking refuge at a friend’s house and one person in the group is from Minnesota. She says that even though it’s not so terribly cold outside she still wouldn’t want to repeat this, that it’s much easier in Minnesota because the power doesn’t go out or if it does it’s something that can get fixed quickly rather than be prolonged over several days.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by theshrike79 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:56AM (#26163501)
I Finland the electric network companies have spent years and billions of € digging our electric grid underground after we had a few high-profile cases of electricity being cut off during winter because of snow-logged trees crashing on remote power lines.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ulisesrmzroche on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:23AM (#26176607)
That happened a lot here, plus tons of burst water pipes and carbon monoxide poisonings. Seriously, nothing here is built for the kind of cold you guys live with.

The first day without power is doable, but that second day is just killer.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by sjg007 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @09:01PM (#26161699)
They burned wood.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by texasbigdata on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:15PM (#26162216)
Hate to be an insensitive jerk because people are suffering, but kinda agree.

There was a 3 hour long line at trader Joe's in downtown Austin today. Uber eats has been down maybe 24 hours.

Like....the human body can absorb a 3 to 5 day water only fast reasonably well in most cases and its even becoming trendy in certain longevity circles.

On one hand it points to society getting soft. On the other hand who knows maybe in this pandemic some people really got hit at bad time. As long as no one dies it will all be fine.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by byecomputer on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @11:09PM (#26162575)
> As long as no one dies it will all be fine.

the latest is 10 deaths in the Houston area from some combination of the storm, the cold, and the loss of electricity

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by brundolf on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:29PM (#26161465)
Exactly.