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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by com2kid on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @07:32PM (#26160978)
> If your house is 25f, put on a couple sweaters and a coat and have a beer. It’s not the end of the world.

Houses were designed very differently 150 years ago.

Lower roofs, fewer windows, huge thick drapes or tapestries on the walls, animal skins or carpets on the floors.

9 ft windows (double pane or not) on all walls is going to leak out a lot of heat.

Most importantly, fireplaces. Houses had fireplaces, and rooms were designed around a central fireplace to keep everyone warm.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by Johnny555 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:30AM (#26163062)
I'd be surprised if a 150 year old house was insulated and sealed as well as a 20 year old house, even in Texas.

Though you're right that the old house likely had a wood burning heat source, but I'd imagine that there were times when wood was scarce. And that 150 year old fireplace would have sucked air out of the house, bringing in cold air through every air gap.

I looked it up, and wood has an R-value of around 1.4 per inch, so a log cabin with 6" walls would have an R-value of around R8, current building codes in Texas specify R15 for walls, R38 for roofs.

Single-pane windows have an R-value of around R1, energy efficient double panes, around R4 (triple paned can hit R9) so even though there are a lot more windows in a modern house, they have better insulation.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by falcolas on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:16PM (#26161350)
I imagine plumbing contractors in Texas are rubbing their hands together in glee. Frozen, broken pipes everywhere.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by conductr on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:10AM (#26163273)
It’s going to take months to get to everyone too. Contractors here are busy enough as it is.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by Gwypaas on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @07:49PM (#26161114)
Nope, simply bad housing standards leading to no isolation. Passive houses work in the Scandinavia. This is coming from a Swede who lived for a while in Texan suburbia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by falcolas on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:18PM (#26161375)
You can definitely get a passive house in the US; but it's fairly expensive and takes quite a bit of time to pay off.

It also requires somewhat specialized (read: niche and expensive) heating and cooling equipment, since there is so little air movement into and out of the house, and requires so little energy.

Oh, and ironically, when the power's out in a passive house, you need to open a window to ensure you don't over-humidify the house with your breath.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by bjoli on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:43AM (#26164143)
Just better building standards will get you a long way. I live in a house with rather poor energy rating by Swedish standards (E on an A to F scale), yet with 4 people and some sunshine we keep 75m2 (half the house) heated to 20c with -5c outside.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ghaff on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:04AM (#26165849)
They had wood burning heat sources and they didn't have indoor running water. So, as you say, people could gather around fireplace(s) and there were no actual issues associated with the rest of the house being cold.

But for those being very casual about other people sitting around in 25 degree temperatures, that's actually fairly chilly especially if you don't have the clothing and bed coverings for it. And I say that as someone who lives in New England and has done winter camping.

Could I manage modulo piping concerns? Sure. (And I know you can drain pipes but I'd hate to be in a situation where I felt I had to do so in an emergency situation without electricity and then fire things up again when the electricity came back on.) But you're talking about huddling under covers if you don't have wood burning heat.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by bjoli on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:38AM (#26164114)
We had a heater outage recently, with temperatures at about -20c. More than half the house was heated by our fireplace. It churns out something like 7kw when used properly, which is more than enough for that part of the house.

The other part was fine with one 2kw heater for the night. The whole thing was pretty scary. I'll make sure our next house has 2 fireplaces. One m3 of firewood will keep you going for a couple of days, and more importantly: your pipes won't crack.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by byecomputer on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:23AM (#26163340)
My house is 140 years old and it's a sieve with 12 ft ceilings & 9 ft windows... in Iowa.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ghaff on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:07AM (#26165876)
I have about a 200 yo house in Massachusetts. I've had a lot of work done to tighten it up but it still is very drafty in many spots. It has smallish windows and low ceilings but it's definitely not what you would call well-insulated overall.
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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by sn9 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:25PM (#26162275)
Millions of people don't live in suburban homes with grills.

They live in apartments that don't allow grilling so they never thought to buy one. And it being the winter, not many people who do grill in the summer have charcoal for winter grilling.

So when the power goes out, they can't cook anything on their electric ranges. If the water shuts off, that's even worse. Frozen food is useless if you can't even thaw it, let alone cook it.

Initially the weather reports I read said the winter storm warning only extended to Monday afternoon and now it's to Thursday, so lots of people didn't think to extend their emergency supplies to Thursday, and most probably didn't think they'd be without water and power.

I'm really lucky in that I have both water and power, but many are not. You really should not be judging people according to what the most privileged suburbanites can adapt to.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by jasondigitized on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @09:29PM (#26161916)
Fun event? Bruh sit this one out.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ulisesrmzroche on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:04PM (#26161247)
You obviously don’t live anywhere near texas. No houses have insulation for this kind of weather.

It’s like if I went to Canada and started shitting on people unable to deal with 110f weather without electricity .

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by 8note on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:55PM (#26162459)
Insulation works in both directions. If you use AC a lot in summer, the same insulation is doing you good

Without adding heat, you're still not going to stay warm for long though. my window may have been bent so it couldn't close in winter throughout child hood, but we still had a heater on.

Watch out for your windows. Hanging stuff to act like curtains will help

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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by ulisesrmzroche on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @08:40PM (#26161554)
Doubt it. But keep on shitting on people going through a severe weather disaster to make yourself feel better. Guess you really need it