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Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by sithadmin on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:48PM (#26095259)
Frankly, I'm surprised that the Austin region's notable decline in quality of life hasn't already begun to act as a feedback mechanism limiting investment and population growth.

Austin was plagued by decades of nimbyism and poor urban planning that prevented sufficient infrastructure development before it was a tech hotspot. ~10 years ago, things like traffic and public transport had already become borderline unbearable relative to comparable cities. It has only become much, much worse in recent years. I imagine that it might still seem livable to tech folks arriving from west/east coast megacities, but to us locals...not so much.

Nearby San Antonio has done a much, much better job in terms of infrastructure development, but of course nobody wants to set up shop there because it doesn't have the (fading, imo) cultural cachet that Austin has.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by tick_tock_tick on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:10PM (#26095480)
Austin is the "new" SF and it's happening on a shorter timescale which is probably going to create an even more dysfunctional local political system.

I know so many friends and colleagues that have moved to Austin from SF over the years to escape the issues they have with SF (mostly around trying to raise a family, poor schools, high coast of homes with any real space, etc) but it seems like Austin might just slingshot past SF in terms of issues.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by gaspard234 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @06:00PM (#26096020)
>it seems like Austin might just slingshot past SF in terms of issues.

As a former San Franciscan that has lived in Austin for 10 years what do you think are these issues?

Sure there is a lot of old school residents that don't want any change and fight every code change and infrastructure upgrade but the new residents are doing stuff like passing the new rail props. The city has built more housing in the last year than SF has in 5 years.

Another thing is the exploding homeless population, the city is so angry that we got enough signatures to put the camping ban on the ballot. A certain district actually voted for a far right wing candidate whose major platform was to get rid of the homeless. That is not something that would ever happen in SF.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by tick_tock_tick on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:50PM (#26096875)
> As a former San Franciscan that has lived in Austin for 10 years what do you think are these issues?

The biggest as always is public transportation. SF is a "small" city geographically but it's a nightmare to get around and I see Austin going down the same route. You have busses and MetroRail but frankly both of them operate at street level and that will just not cut it. The subway plans are good and a step in the right direction but by the time they actually finish they won't be anywhere near enough which will be viewed as a failure and then the next subway expansion will be too small and so on an so forth.

I just don't see the city getting out ahead of it's growth. Too little too late kind of thing. Obviously I don't live there so my knowledge is filtered though a set of peers with there own bias but that's my current view.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by DebtDeflation on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:29PM (#26095691)
There's always Denver and RTP.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by breischl on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:49PM (#26095903)
Shhhhh, no there's not. These are not the metro areas you're looking for. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by oblio on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @06:20PM (#26096202)
RTP?
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by pchristensen on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @06:32PM (#26096304)
Research Triangle Park, NC
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by MengerSponge on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:13PM (#26097467)
I absolutely love the Triangle, but public transit there is a joke. My favorite tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is that Duke Parking killed the light rail system.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by gautamcgoel on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @11:13PM (#26098186)
Can you comment a bit on why you love the triangle?
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by MengerSponge on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:58PM (#26106330)
It functions much like a very large university town, except it has a much more diverse economy.

The sum of its parts make it a particularly nice part of the world to live in. Housing is reasonably affordable (although this is becoming a problem), there's an interesting and competitive restaurant scene, good public schools, some of the best coffee shops in the world, great art museums and functioning greenways. Lots of good places to support local agriculture and artists.

The local parks are lovely, and the Appalachians are a day-trip away. Same with the Atlantic coast.

A few local businesses that I deeply miss: Boulted Bread (bread), Jubala (coffee), Foundation (cocktails), Garland (food), Cocoa Cinnamon (coffee, churros, hot chocolate), Guasaca (arepas), Nuvo Taco (tacos), Wine Authorities (wine), Saltbox (seafood), Locals Seafood (seafood) ...

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:56PM (#26095340)
Decline is relative. Despite being a crappy deal Austin is still a better deal than the options where a lot of the new people are coming from.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by medium_burrito on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:20PM (#26095588)
Yeah, comparing with San Francisco/CA (massive income tax, possible wealth tax, absurd real estate, dysfunctional schools, etc) and Seattle (merely very expensive real estate, insane city council, famously unfriendly people, depressing weather, and possibly way more taxes and soon as our legislature can figure out how to get around them being unconstitutional)...

Austin is definitely still a good deal. Sure, the weather isn't as good as California (but better than southern Nevada), and the scenery isn't as pretty or geographically interesting as the Pacific Northwest (but better than Oklahoma), but there are jobs, a good university and Texas doesn't appear to have lobotomy patients as local government.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by claytongulick on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:39PM (#26096807)
> better than Oklahoma

That's a broad brush.

Currently sitting in a log cabin in an old growth forest on a stunning lake near Broken Bow, OK, with pretty hills / small mountains all around.

Interestingly, one of the few (maybe only?) place in the world that has both black bears and alligators.

Mountains, lakes, swamp, pasture... McCurtain County is a treat.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by notional on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:41PM (#26097635)
caveat to enjoying a wondrous life in OK of course is don't be a BIPOC
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by totalZero on Thursday February 11, 2021 @09:39PM (#26110185)
Of Oklahoma's five Congressional districts, one is represented by a Chickasaw, another is represented by a Cherokee, and a third is represented by an Iranian.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by chasd00 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @10:23PM (#26097909)
I’m closing on 20 acres near talahina in a couple weeks. SE Oklahoma is very underrated.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by claytongulick on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:24PM (#26105942)
That's a great place to invest right now.

I'm buying a cabin in Broken Bow, the owner is selling and reinvesting in some land very close to where you are buying.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by gautamcgoel on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @11:15PM (#26098194)
Seems to me plenty of places have both gators and black bears. GA and FL for starters...
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by jedberg on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @06:08PM (#26096108)
The main problem with Austin is that it's in Texas. Which means you're still subject to Texas laws and Texas schoolbooks. Some of those schoolbooks still teach that, "slaves were treated well because they were expensive property".

Which makes me think, maybe there is a business opportunity to open a private school that uses California or Massachusetts/New York text books.

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by mensetmanusman on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:13PM (#26096614)
This is a meme that may require updating
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by jedberg on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:15PM (#26096639)
Possibly, I haven't looked in a few years.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by usefulcat on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @11:38PM (#26098306)
In general I don't disagree about bass-ackwards public school curriculums in TX. However, for those who are willing and able to pay for private school, that's not really an issue in Austin, especially considering how liberal it is compared to literally any other city in Texas.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by hardolaf on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:01PM (#26119054)
So basically just screw the poor by letting them suffer through Republican pushed indoctrination and lies?
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by whycombagator on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @06:49PM (#26096432)
Is that particularly common/exist at all in good Austin area schools? Or are you just generalising based on some Texas schools (genuinely curious as I have no idea myself)
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by borramakot on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:08PM (#26096575)
My understanding is that the Texas state requirements used to be borderline insane, but that they have improved over time. Skimming http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/rules/tac/chapter113/index.htm... , I actually found much less objectionable than I expected to.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by cjtoth on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:05PM (#26095431)
> nobody wants to set up shop there because it doesn't have the (fading, imo) cultural cachet that Austin has

.. and has a public ivy college, the Texas legislature, and decades of semiconductors in the area. There's still NIMBY & traffic in the city, but to sum Austin up as simply a cultural hub feels dishonest

Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by mech422 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:58AM (#26098702)
I'd say Phoenix gives it a good run for its money :-)
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by jdhn on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @10:30PM (#26097955)
As a Michigander, I find it funny to see people argue over growing cities and whether their cultural cachet is growing or fading. People here would kill to have the problems that Austin has.
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by sithadmin on Thursday February 11, 2021 @09:11AM (#26101655)
Having just lived there for a couple years, I would argue that Ann Arbor has all the same issues as Austin: Strong nimbyism; general under-development of public infrastructure; a university that keeps the local government on a leash; absurd housing prices subsidized by student loans and tech workers; trademark 'hippie'/counterculture mentality that's increasingly marginalized; increasing presence of cookie-cutter chain establishments...
Re:Samsung Foundry: New $17B Fab in the USA by Late 2023 by whycombagator on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:40PM (#26106117)
But does Ann Arbor have a massive influx of homeless?