Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by DyslexicAtheist on Monday February 08, 2021 @08:46AM
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further, if one has the opportunity to talk to people working in a forensic psychology unit, they might discover the presence of the "wild animal" in the human and that all of us are still a lot closer to that wild animal than we like to admit.
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Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by rbanffy on Monday February 08, 2021 @10:13AM
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Still, a raging 80 kg human can be a handful to deal with. A raging 200 kg gorilla is much worse. There is a lot that can be done to assimilate a gorilla into a human society, but they aren't human and the differences, while possible to understand at a certain effort, may end up surprising you.
My cat still tries to hunt my foot when bored. If she were a tiger, I would have a very serious problem to deal with (it's hard to buy shoes individually)
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by yencabulator on Monday February 08, 2021 @05:12PM
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Absolutely. However, that is a different criteria than wild/not wild.
Bulls are domesticated animals, after all.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by Aeolun on Monday February 08, 2021 @07:33PM
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I guess it just means we have a fairly good idea of what will set them off, and can prevent that.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by btilly on Monday February 08, 2021 @11:15AM
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Still, a raging 80 kg human can be a handful to deal with.
Exactly how big a handful becomes much clearer when someone close to you spends long enough manic and without sleep, then goes psychotic.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by Aeolun on Monday February 08, 2021 @07:34PM
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Trying to hold my 15kg toddler when he goes crazy has given me a fairly good idea of what that would be like.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by btilly on Monday February 08, 2021 @11:12PM
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I would have said the same when my kids were young.
When my sister went crazy in exactly the manner described, I learned that I was wrong. Totally wrong.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by Aeolun on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @04:22PM
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That’s potentially true, I have no experience with that.
What I was really trying to say though was that I can barely control him now. I can’t imagine I would be able to when he’s 80kgs.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by btilly on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:48AM
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The big difference is that you have to put up with the toddler's tantrum for perhaps 15 minutes. You can even choose to walk away if you need to - the toddler won't go anywhere.
A manic adult is more coherent, but goes on for days. I mean that literally - mania keeps you from sleeping.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by wsc981 on Monday February 08, 2021 @10:22AM
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> My cat still tries to hunt my foot when bored. If she were a tiger, I would have a very serious problem to deal with (it's hard to buy shoes individually)
But how about a lion?
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by trhway on Monday February 08, 2021 @11:54PM
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>Still, a raging 80 kg human can be a handful to deal with. A raging 200 kg gorilla is much worse.
the history of our civilization proves that raging 80 kg human with a weapon is a much worse than any other animal. Even mammoths went down before us. This is why we took over that planet and are an apex predator and are a most dangerous animal around.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by rbanffy on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @04:50AM
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True, but, without weapons, I'll still bet on the gorilla.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by silicon2401 on Monday February 08, 2021 @09:48AM
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I wish there was more literature about this, both academic and fictional. I've always found it amusing how far people go to believe that we're detached from the wild animal in us. From conception to some young age I'd say we barely differ from animals (hence why some animals are compared to humans at various, usually single-digit, ages). Then even once we're grown, there are many situations where I think, surely this is what a regular animal experiences too: looking for something and absentmindedly searching, having fun running around with friends, identifying a dangerous situation and either taking action to defend loved ones or flee, etc.
Re:A gorilla who was brought up as a boy in an English village
by gnramires on Monday February 08, 2021 @11:23AM
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I recommend Jane Goodall's memoirs (In the Shadow of Man, The Chimpanzees of Gombe, and more), I think they provide a fairly balanced view on our relationship with our near ancestors (what Chimpanzees can and cannot do).