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Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by treeman79 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @12:28PM (#26016221)
Google tried this. Google+

You setup your circles for various topics.

Neat idea. Complete failure.

I’ve set up social interactions for major companies. Basically any restriction on who can see what will kill the feature.

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by munificent on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @12:38PM (#26016388)
> Basically any restriction on who can see what will kill the feature.

I think that's likely true for social media apps where the product is "free" in that users are the product and advertisers are the customers that fund it. In that business model, your number one goal is to maximize eyeballs.

But Haven doesn't have that business model at all, so it's not clear to me that a way to control who sees what posts would harm success.

By analogy, farmers want to grow as many plants per acre as they possibly can to maximize revenue. The idea of potting their plants individually makes no sense. But if I just want a plant on my windowsill and don't want dirt everywhere, a pot is what I want.

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by treeman79 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @12:55PM (#26016644)
Tangent.

Any talk of tech people and farmers seems to always change to pot.

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by frakkingcylons on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:05PM (#26019094)
Uhhh read that sentence again. I think you’re projecting.
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by InitialLastName on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:29PM (#26020056)
They were just being self-fulfilling.
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by OkGoDoIt on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:12PM (#26019853)
Facebook also had it long before Google+, called friend lists. The UI was not great but it was incredibly useful and I’m super frustrated they have been phasing it out over the years. There are some things I want my super liberal theater friends in San Francisco to see, and some things that are only appropriate for my conservative family and friends from back home in Georgia to see. Some things are appropriate for professional contacts and some things are only appropriate for very close friends who understand my sense of humor. Facebook used to handle all these scenarios beautifully but not so much these days, and as a result I only share things that I’m comfortable everyone seeing, which is a very small percentage of what I might otherwise share.
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by ufmace on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:16PM (#26017835)
It was only a failure at what Google wanted it for - displacing Facebook as the dominant social media company. IMO, they failed primarily due to network effects, as in they can't bootstrap without some killer feature to get people to switch over from Facebook. Circles probably didn't help here, since the ultimate effect is to reduce engagement, when they need to maximize it to have a chance of displacing Facebook.

Probably the big risk for this thing is that nobody wants to keep track of separate websites for dozens of individuals, most of whom only post something they can see once a week at most. You need to aggregate all of those updates from dozens of people you know into a single website and build a feed, then you have something that probably always has something the user might find interesting, and all in one place, so they'll actually check it regularly.

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by hmsimha on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:26PM (#26019335)
I don't believe Google+ let you self-host, or fully control your data, which seems to be the primary value proposition here. Google+ also wasn't open source, so for example, you couldn't see that deleted posts were actually deleted on the server (they likely weren't)
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by iainmerrick on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @07:13PM (#26021002)
I think the answer to this is to keep the circles, but don’t make people curate the members of each circle.

Instead, have a system where you can categorize your posts and other people can explicitly opt-in or opt-out to following particular categories.

That way, you can do a series of detailed posts on Orson Welles (say) for interested parties without worrying about whether you’ll bore or scare off the rest of your friends.

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by 3np on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:58PM (#26017605)
I do not think this is the reason Google+ failed miserably. It’s been rehashed enough that I won’t list my top picks :)
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by samstave on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:29PM (#26018697)
For me, google+ added zero value to my life, thus I dropped it post-haste
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by rrauenza on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:05PM (#26018453)
Facebook actually has this as well... But hardly anyone uses it?
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by cutemonster on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:59PM (#26020361)
All the time with G+ but never with FB. At FB it's not easy to find the feature, but was simple with G+
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by 1234letshaveatw on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:00PM (#26016738)
It seems to work well enough in nextdoor interestingly- but the circles are location based
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by gowld on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:28PM (#26017202)
You cant choose your circles in nextdoor
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by samstave on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:30PM (#26018711)
nextdoor pissed me off - when I moved, they sent out a postcard to people I knew telling them of my new address - and I didn't ask them or authorize them to inform people of where I moved - as there were people whom I did not want to know where I lived.

That seriously pissed me off.

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by Judgmentality on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:14PM (#26019199)
IANAL but isn't that doxxing? That definitely sounds illegal, and I would seriously consider consulting an attorney.
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by pessimizer on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:33PM (#26020678)
Doxxing isn't a crime. It's a terms of service violation.
Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by Judgmentality on Thursday February 04, 2021 @04:37PM (#26030091)
I looked into it a bit more (again, IANAL). Doxxing is a crime, but it varies from state to state and intent (so some aspect of malfeasance) seems to be relevant. There's even a proposal to make it a felony in Michigan.

https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/doxxing-that-cau...

Re:Show HN: Haven – Run a private website to share with only... by gowld on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:28PM (#26017192)
Facebook has the same thing so that's not the deciding factor.