> How did nothing change? What message does this send?

nothing changed because camping out in a park for a few months without making any actionable, specific demands as a group is not a good tactic for effecting change. BLM was a bit more specific with their demands and have already received a few (if token) concessions.

The reason nothing changed with OWS is because they couldn't voice a clear message. Everyone knows they're being defrauded but the fraud is complex and difficult to communicate so instead you have this disorganized protest that amounts to very little change.

Tax the rich. Distribute the wealth that was stolen from the backs of the workers. It wasn’t said clearly because we were living in a post 9/11 era where uttering words like “socialism” was still unpopular.

Enough is enough. The only thing keeping the guillotines from coming out is a thriving middle class. Oh wait, that’s been stolen. It badly needs fixing and fast.

That sitting around playing drums and smoking doesn’t accomplish anything productive.

That’s called being civil. Would you prefer they instead break the law to have their voices heard? Do you want wall street suits to fear for their life?

>Do you want wall street suits to fear for their life?

Ideally yes, the rest of us are a missed paycheck or major health problem away from becoming homeless and there's no mathematical reason it has to be this way, it's just how we've structured our society.

There was a murderous insurrection bent on overthrowing democracy about 3 weeks ago. I rather think tempers are high enough that you'd get a lot of affirmative answers right now.

1. It failed.

2. It was stupid.

3. It violated the principles of our society.

That is the point I’m trying to demonstrate. Solutions come from within, not without.

You have it backwards, change cannot come from within. The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

(This is in no way an endorsement of the capitol insurrectionists. They don't want change. In fact, they're upset at change.)

>Do you want wall street suits to fear for their life?

Well... yes? For less than what this guys did Louis XVI lost his head.

They can do what they want and suffer no consequences, of any sort. Neither economic (they get bailed out by us) nor personal (virtually nobody gets personally prosecuted and sent to jail). Why should they stop what they're doing? In their position, I wouldn't.

And now you see the necessity of violence to advance political goals.

I’ll see it only after a liberal party controls the executive and legislative branch in the absence of a filibuster failing to implement meaningful change.

The same liberal party that bailed out Wall Street last time?

The very same. At least they have a branch of progressives and there is a pretense of moving towards a more fair ruleset.

Investing in stocks/crypto for average people with little to zero experience was not nearly as simple as today compared to 10 years ago.

The only way things will change, I'm convinced, is for everybody to vote out the incumbent every time. Occupy Wall Street didn't work, riots and looting wealthy areas didn't work, raiding the capitol building didn't work. The corruption is dug in.

Voting out the incumbent breaks all these decades long (multi-generational?) relationships with the elites. They will probably reform the relationships to a degree the first time, but if congressional membership dramatically changes every 2 years, those relationships will weaken over time.

To whomever disagrees, please help me understand your reasoning.

The lesson from Trump is that blindly going against the incumbent may simply replace them with somebody less competent and more corrupt.

So then we just have to live with a police state and a corrupt government that redistributes wealth up? I mean I don't see an alternative. We're in a really bad place.