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Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by dragonwriter on Monday January 25, 2021 @01:08PM (#25906520)
https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/proving-fault-actual-malice...

Dominion seems to be very clearly a “Limited Purpose Public Figure” in the domain in which the disputed statements apply.

Their lack of general celebrity is a good argument that they aren’t an “all purpose” public figure.

Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by javajosh on Monday January 25, 2021 @03:26PM (#25908322)
Great link, thank you! That's precisely what I was looking for (and I highly recommend it to anyone else reading this thread). It does seem strange to me that we set the bar so high for defamation, but its one of those times where the trade-off is very clear, and it seems like in this particular case "reckless disregard for the truth" seems to fit extremely well.
Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by enraged_camel on Monday January 25, 2021 @04:29PM (#25909169)
> It does seem strange to me that we set the bar so high for defamation

Well, it's not that strange, if you look at how frequently mere threats of defamation lawsuits are used to chill free speech.

Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by javajosh on Monday January 25, 2021 @04:31PM (#25909196)
Indeed. The solution, though, is simple: every man woman and child in the USA should just get a law degree!
Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by tigershark on Monday January 25, 2021 @05:47PM (#25909997)
Every man, woman, person, camera, TV!
Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by xxpor on Monday January 25, 2021 @10:22PM (#25912086)
After 2020, any states left without a strong anti-SLAPP statute should make it a priority to pass one.
Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by newacct583 on Monday January 25, 2021 @07:55PM (#25911098)
This is a situation where I think the law sort of fails us, alas. The spirit behind the idea of "public figure" in defamation suits is that these things should not be allowed to become tools used by the powerful to protect themselves from the weak. Being public means you are expected to tolerate criticism that would be tortious when aimed at normal citizens.

But the defamer in this case is the President of the United States and his legal team. That sort of falls down.

Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by javajosh on Monday January 25, 2021 @08:04PM (#25911163)
That is a very powerful argument I am sure Dominion will make.
Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by dragonwriter on Monday January 25, 2021 @10:45PM (#25912262)
> The spirit behind the idea of "public figure" in defamation suits is that these things should not be allowed to become tools used by the powerful to protect themselves from the weak.

No, it's that enforcement of laws against defamation, as an act of government, should not intrude upon freedom of speech more than is essential to serve a compelling government interest, and that legitimate government interest is at its nadir when the issue involves restricting criticism on interests of public importance, which includes public figures (whether general public figures or limited purpose ones within the scope in which they are such figures.)