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Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by richard_todd on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:19PM (#25895494)
Fidonet used to provide the federation across message boards in the BBS era, so there is literally nothing new. Really the new thing was smartphones opening up microblogging to average people who want to track celebrities and pretend what they had for lunch is worth sharing. (Edited to clarify fidonet was in the BBS era)
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by skybrian on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:40PM (#25895724)
Fidonet boards exchanged messages overnight so the propagation delay was much longer. Also, the topology was different. I don't think the idea of each user publishing a public stream of messages that others subscribe to was a thing back then? Instead you would post messages in forums.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by richard_todd on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:59PM (#25895964)
I was replying to a post claiming the only novel part of mastodon compared to old message boards is federation. I’m merely pointing out that many old message boards did have federation.

To your points (1) yes, everything was slower back then (2) people could and did post streams of their work within the BBS framework, everything from multi-part posts to “owning” a message-board topic, to text/ansi e-zines, but back then the focus was much more on following topics than people.

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by dsr_ on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:24PM (#25896224)
At this point, the Usenet servers which took massive amounts of bandwidth and disk space take tiny amounts of bandwidth and disk space (assuming you don't allow binary posts).

Maybe it's time for Usenet to come back.

- Truly federated

- Topic focus instead of people-focus

- Killfiles!

- Proper threading

- Standards-based servers and clients

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by rbanffy on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:11PM (#25897183)
I really like NNTP, but spam was becoming a huge problem in the Usenet and its nature makes it harder to assert the identity of a poster.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by sdenton4 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:45PM (#25897414)
I mean, if people want to give out helpful information about gland enlargement alongside links to where supplements can be purchased for the astonishingly low price of $12 a pill, who are we to try to stop them? Provide an unfiltered free speech platform and the stronger ideas will win, right?
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by coderaptor on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:50PM (#25899334)
Just provide more effective tools allowing users to tune their own feeds.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by vkou on Monday January 25, 2021 @12:54AM (#25899791)
With a profit or ideological motive, I can spam you, and shout over all meaningful communication much faster than you can block me.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by jjoonathan on Monday January 25, 2021 @01:52AM (#25900125)
Yeah, and the idea of a spam filter won.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by saurik on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:04AM (#25900185)
Spam filters can be opt-in. Spam filters can be federated. Spam filters can be local. It simply isn't true that decentralized censorship resistant systems fundamentally require users to be inundated with spam.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by jjoonathan on Monday January 25, 2021 @11:17AM (#25904895)
I wish that were the case.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by tlavoie on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:56PM (#25896552)
Usenet over UUCP worked just fine, with UUCP serving up email too on the dial-up batch syncs.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by klyrs on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:15PM (#25897956)
> Killfiles!

Ah yes, censorship rears its ghastly head again. Or, what a quaint approach to spam.

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by dsr_ on Monday January 25, 2021 @06:49AM (#25902133)
The charitable explanation is that you don't know what a killfile is. It is a personally created and maintained list of subject lines and/or poster addresses that you don't want to see. They can be limited to specific groups or be universal; they can be used to remove entire threads or just the messages that match.

In other words, it's a personal filter on incoming information. It's Joo Janta Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses. If it is censorship, it is a censor who works for you, obeys your commands, and never imposes your opinions on anyone else.

And it's not particularly good for spam, nor does anyone think that is its purpose. A killfile works against persistent trolls and idiots.

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by indymike on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:57PM (#25898213)
As I recall, killfiles couldn't keep up with the glut of spam that happened.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by _0ffh on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:06PM (#25897152)
> yes, everything was slower back then

Right, and still I was super amazed that I could send a message to someone halfway around the world, and it would arrive there only a couple of days later! Compared to a letter that's really fast!

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by richard_todd on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:45PM (#25897413)
It was cool stuff, for sure, and I'm glad I got to experience it when it was new. A little extra latency in our online discourse would probably do the modern world some good, not that anyone would go for it.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by klyrs on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:17PM (#25897968)
I've been mulling a "slow conversation platform" but so far my ideas aren't any more novel than Wikipedia with edit delays which just isn't compelling
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by marcus_holmes on Monday January 25, 2021 @03:12AM (#25900695)
I've been kicking some ideas around. My favourite so far is that instead of posting immediately, the system comes back to you after half an hour and says "do you still want to post this?". Hopefully any emotion has had a chance to work itself out in the half hour.
Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by TheJoYo on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:30PM (#25895622)
I agree but I think there's potential for celebrity owned and managed federated instances.

Twitter doesn't really give handlers the tools to manage their celebrity client, otherwise we would have seen things with Trump go very differently.

An owned and managed instance can invest heavily into moderation and image cultivation in ways that Facebook and Twitter will never provide.

The whole thing with Wil Wheaton on mastodon.cloud was a good example of what goes wrong, however.

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by riffic on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:33PM (#25895654)
I'd really like to see Twitter white-label their app as a managed SaaS on custom domains.

Perhaps that's what Bluesky is intended to be.

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by TheJoYo on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:44PM (#25895775)
I don't have much hope for Bluesky.

Twitter could re-enable RSS if they really wanted to show that their interest was genuine.

Re:Our experience with the Fediverse, and why we left by riffic on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:31PM (#25896287)
> I don't have much hope for Bluesky.

me neither. I think, based on Twitter's track record, people should remain skeptical until shown otherwise. They haven't delivered much to prove they're willing to do the right thing.