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Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by pavlov on Sunday January 17, 2021 @11:23PM (#25818108)
>”They have extremely rigid standards for people of one viewpoint and very loose standards for people of another.”

It only seems that way to you because you’re seeing only one side getting arbitrarily suspended.

My left-leaning Twitter feed has for years been regularly full of people complaining about how Twitter censors black women, activists, feminists and sex workers, while not doing enough against white supremacists, etc.

Probably the truth is that the standards are just unevenly rigid one day, loose the other, depending on who catches their attention. Policing hundreds of millions of active users is nearly impossible, and adding automated systems increases the risk of false positives.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by chrissnell on Sunday January 17, 2021 @11:50PM (#25818284)
No doubt that's true on the level of the average user like you and me. What we see for prominent conservatives, however, feels very unfair to me. Perhaps prominent members of other groups are targeted similarly--it wouldn't surprise me.
Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday January 18, 2021 @12:22AM (#25818466)
To be honest, every single time I dig in to a conservative complaining "they are singling me out for my views!!" I do more research and find that it is 99% bullshit. Not 100% bullshit mind you, because it's that 1% that is nominally true so they can leave out the rest of the context.

Here is a more complete discussion of Prager's charges of censorship, and in my opinion they are laughable: https://reason.com/2019/07/18/dennis-prager-who-boasts-1-bil...

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by orf on Monday January 18, 2021 @04:24AM (#25819882)
> "Respectfully, senator, that's not right," replied Bhatia, explaining that those videos contained mature topics—murder, rape, etc. He reiterated that they are still visible to the "98.5 percent" of YouTube users who do not opt for restricted mode.

Who would have thought that another conservative story about censorship would turn out to be bullshit.

It’s not like the people parroting them have the impetuous to check though, it’s much easier and more comfortable to drone on about “YouTube blocking a video about the 10 commandments” over and over until it becomes your reality, where you’re persecuted.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by chandra381 on Monday January 18, 2021 @05:43AM (#25820363)
Multiple studies have shown that Facebook and twitter do not censor conservatives. This has been well established and anyone who argues otherwise is either ignorant or arguing from a position of bad faith.

https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/10/two-new-studies-show-again...

> What we see for prominent conservatives, however, feels very unfair to me

I find this extremely ironic given that the slogan "facts don't care about your feelings" is attributed to conservatives in particular

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by xpaqui on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:13AM (#25820529)
All the "conservatives/libertarians" I've followed on youtube have been both demonetized and had videos suspended. It's a small sample size but all?!, what a coincidence. From the "left leaning" channels I follow I've not seen the same complain.

I don't follow anyone on facebook or twitter I can't vouch for those, maybe it's just youtube who does all the censoring.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by antris on Monday January 18, 2021 @07:59AM (#25821341)
In general "conservatives" seem to have a harder time following TOS on hate speech, bullying, racism, sexism etc.
Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by collyw on Monday January 18, 2021 @08:41AM (#25821653)
Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by phatfish on Monday January 18, 2021 @07:53AM (#25821285)
Maybe if you name/link them we can decide if it was reasonable or not.
Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by xpaqui on Monday January 18, 2021 @11:50AM (#25823646)
On youtube

Joe Rogan, Sargon of Akkad, Viva Frey, Academic Agent, Thunderf00t, 1791

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by Chris2048 on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:39AM (#25820722)
> Multiple studies have shown

Are you talking about the two in this article, or alluding to more?

The studies:

1) https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/censorship-conserva...

"The findings demonstrate how a small number of conservative users routinely outpace their liberal rivals and traditional news outlets in driving the online conversation — amplifying their impact a little more than a week before Election Day. They contradict the prevailing political rhetoric from some Republican lawmakers that conservative voices are censored online — indicating that instead, right-leaning talking points continue to shape the worldviews of millions of U.S. voters."

2) https://www.mediamatters.org/facebook/new-study-finds-facebo...

"right-leaning pages consistently earned more average weekly interactions than either left-leaning or ideologically nonaligned pages"

This doesn't seem to me to support that "Facebook and twitter do not censor conservatives";

The assumption seems to be that if conservatives are ultimately more influential, they mustn't have been censored. I'm also not sure how fine-grained the distinction of right/left leaning is.

If all conservatives voices are censored except for a few far-right/extremist voices that are amplified, does this balance out? Add a few more dimensions and you might come up with a different conclusion.

In any case, I'll need to see more before I agree it's "well established".

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday January 18, 2021 @10:09AM (#25822470)
It’s weird to claim that YouTube has a bias against right wing media and then shrug and say well I have no idea if left wing media suffers equally arbitrary censorship or not. That makes no sense as a stance.
Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by wilsynet on Monday January 18, 2021 @03:29AM (#25819530)
Are you referring to Donald Trump?
Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by roenxi on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:36AM (#25818886)
What happens at the margins is probably random and depends on which moderator was having a bad day. But the Trump ban is quite different, especially since they gave a formal and thought-out justification [0].

The tweets that they quote are simply innocuous. The ban isn't justified based on the tweets, and was either a panicked response to the news with no investigation or a very thinly veiled political move. I think the right wing has reason to claim bias from that one. What is the closest parallel with that involving a left wing figure?

[0] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio...

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:49AM (#25818962)
It is disingenuous to say those tweets are "simply innocuous" without the context of what was going on and what the President did that very day.

I've posted this before, and while I agree that those are far from his most egregious tweets, given the fact of the insurrection at the Capitol, the ban doesn't seem unjustified at all. Especially since there are now many videos coming out from the insurrection of the rioters believing they are acting in accordance with Trump's wishes.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by roenxi on Monday January 18, 2021 @02:01AM (#25819037)
For the sake of argument, Ok. I'll not argue with that. I shall assume that the context of the situation justified the ban.

But why then did Twitter quote two tweets? The tweets do not support the decision. They could just have said "based on context off Twitter, we are banning Trump".

The fact that they didn't makes me think they were scrambling and not thinking clearly. Their reading of the tweets is bizarre. Or maybe they being dishonest about their reasoning.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by _djo_ on Monday January 18, 2021 @05:11AM (#25820191)
Because those two tweets, and the video, were both offering tacit support to people violently attacking the US Capitol and continuing to promote the egregious lie and conspiracy theory of a stolen election that was driving the attack in the first place.

What made those tweets untenable was the changed circumstances of the attack on the Capitol and the knowledge that those engaged in it were relying on Trump's support and encouragement.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by roenxi on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:22AM (#25820607)
I dunno, the further we get from the Capitol Hill riot, the harder I think it will be to sustain the argument that "I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th." can only be interpreted as "violently seize control of the American government". Those are going to be famous last words if ever there are any.

If you were going to put % chances that he was speaking literally, what would you put them at? Surely you'd agree there is at least a chance he was just stream-of-conciousness tweeting what he was thinking?

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by alsetmusic on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:37AM (#25820710)
“There’s a million of us out there, and we are listening to Trump, your boss.”

https://youtu.be/270F8s5TEKY?t=151

I don’t think you can wave away the impact of Trumps words, even if he didn’t intend violence. His audience interpreted approval. That’s what matters. To disagree is to be deliberately ignorant or to argue in bad faith.

Re:Parler's home page is back online, but app still not in s... by roenxi on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:50AM (#25820792)
> ...even if he didn’t intend violence.

That is a totally unreasonable standard that would speak very clearly of a bias (if that is what Twitter thought, which I doubt). It isn't being applied to politicians at all evenly, it is only being applied to Trump. If the speakers intentions and literal words don't matter, and they are to be judged by the most extreme fringes of their supporters then no politician is going to be allowed to speak.