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Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by rel-throwaway on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:45PM (#25795361)
I struggle with this in my personal life. To most friends and acquaintances I can be friendly, personable, interesting, and engaging when we meet. But at home, with close family, and especially with my wife I struggle to be that person. My default state is that I mostly want to be left alone. All the people closest to me seem to want something -- time, attention, help, emotional support etc. none of which I seem to need from anybody else and leads to annoyance and resentment on my part. It doesn't help that I have a particularly stressful job managing a large team with silly interpersonal issues and politics that I have to deal with.

My wife and I have our good moments, are good parents (I think), but day to day is such a struggle. It is constant cycle of me wanting to be left alone and her wanting something or the other from me and getting annoyed that I show reluctance to do it leading to resentment on both sides. Not sure how to fix it or where to turn to for help. I am not an angry person and I don't physically yell or hurt her but she has said that me being reluctant with most things is a form of emotional abuse, which after reading this concerns me and is cause for introspection.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by throwaway6299 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:53PM (#25795462)
How strange, just created an account to say that I am the same way and was thinking about this a lot last night. (Although, I don’t think I am emotionally abusive, as I feel my spouse demands things that are entirely unreasonable, like frequently asking me to leave work in the middle of the day to come help with something or buying a house and dog when we had less than $1,000 in our account).

All I wanted my whole life was a happy family with a happy relationship like my parents had. That didn’t happen and now all I want is to be left alone, and it’s like everyone wants something from me but I don’t need or want anything from them. I have a great job now, so the only thing I look forward to each day is hopefully reaching financial independence before I’m 40. At least then I can “buy” some alone time.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by rel-throwaway on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:27PM (#25795927)
There has been plenty of unreasonable stuff over the years. Early in our marriage she spent close to 1000$ at the mall which left us short of funds to pay her grad school tuition that I had been saving to pay for her. Till date she refuses to understand our financial picture and will be completely lost if I were to get hit by a bus tomorrow. Also, she has not worked for >90% of our ~10 year marriage to follow her passion for art which has made ->$0 so far. I am fine with that because we don't need 2 incomes and I am happy she has the freedom to pursue her passions. Thankfully, like you, I have done pretty well in my career and could probably retire in a cheaper country or some midwestern town tomorrow. This is in addition to all the other things she has anxiety about doing -- driving the car to new places, walking the dog when it is dark outside etc.

I had the exact same wish. I just wanted a happy family like my parents had. I adore my child. Now I just wish we could both get out of this without damaging him too much and I can be left alone.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by 08-15 on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:08PM (#25797189)
> she has said that me being reluctant [...] is a form of emotional abuse

> her grad school tuition that I had been saving to pay for her

> she has not worked for >90% of our ~10 year marriage

My friend, you are not abusing your wife. She is abusing you. She is also gaslighting you into thinking you are the problem. You're not. And she is using your child to blackmail you emotionally.

> things she has anxiety about doing -- driving the car to new places, walking the dog when it is dark outside

This isn't anxiety, it's laziness. But if you're merely reluctant about the exact same things, she calls it "a form of emotional abuse." Brilliant.

Unfortunately, the way the law is currently applied, there is nothing you can do without violating it.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by menotyou on Friday January 15, 2021 @07:05PM (#25798361)
I agree 100% with 08-15s reply. Looks more that she is abusing you.

I was married to a woman who behaved in a similar fashion. Calling me during work days for ridiculous reasons. Never satisfied. Needed constant attention. Took all disagreements as personal attacks. Needy, prickly, never thankful to anyone. In the end we separated as everything in the marriage was one way street in her direction.

Today I regret that I did not leave her more early but tried to rescue the family by letting everything her way.

Looking back she had a Narcistic Personality Disorder (which was meanwhile confirmed by a psychologist).

Get books on narcissism. Try to speak to a professional if you believe she is narcistic. But NPS is (almost) not treatable. So the only solution is to leave if she is narcistic.

Luckily I managed that our kids stayed with me after separation. And for the kids protection, don't leave the kid with her when you leave. (Recommended Reading: "Children of the self absorbed" by Nina Brown).

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by number6 on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:57PM (#25796349)
Do you feel that she doesn't hold up her side of the deal? Did you ever talk about what you expect her to do?

Why are you still together?

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by demadog on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:56PM (#25795503)
She’s likely wanting your presence and testing your loyalty or something? Definitely would help to see a couples therapist but if not, I think setting clear boundaries - like work time is work time - but also scheduling time together would put her at ease and prevent random requests.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by 0_____0 on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:00PM (#25795556)
100% this. I've been working through similar issues in my personal life (complicated by COVID, natch) and what I've come to is that I need to get way better about setting clear boundaries and expectations with people I care about. This can be done in a compassionate way, and relationships will be better in the long run even if doing the boundary setting feels hard or mean in the short term.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by trianglem on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:34PM (#25796025)
I’m going to get downvoted for this but here goes. For a marriage to be successful, one partner has to be dominant. A marriage of equals doesn’t work and your parents (and mine) have happy relationships because this principle was followed. I converted to Islam around 8 years ago and married a Muslim woman and I could not be more happy. For the last 6 years, everyday is bliss and I’ve never performed better at work.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by mafuy on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:01PM (#25796405)
Well you're certainly right that it's easy to want to downvote your statement. I'd like to learn:

Can you explain what the advantages of the dominant marriages are? Since you mention Islam, I assume you're the dominant one. I'm going to assume your wife is happy in her role. Do you think the female can be the dominant one in a relationship, too, or how is that decided?

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by ibn_khaldun on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:41PM (#25797520)
Not my post, but if I may I’d like to offer my input, please.

The word “dominance” seems to carry a negative connotation in the context of interpersonal relationships. There a lot of historical factors that are the cause of this and it's beyond the scope of this conversation to delve deeply into that.

Nonetheless, as far as Islam is concerned, it is the role of the man to wield the influence/be dominant in his household. This is by virtue of his responsibilities -- his attachment to the Masjid (or “Mosque” in the West), his duty to earn a living for the household and his duty as an educator and paragon of good character, not just in the home but in his community as well.

The word “dominance” may suggest a sense of oppression in modern times. But in the scope of Islam, that husband who is “dominant” in reality eschews all reprehensible conduct that could be associated with the word.

As I mentioned before, yes, in Islam there are expectations on the Muslim wife. But likewise there are expectations (if not more) on the Muslim husband. Again, that Muslim man assumes dominance in the household out of the necessity that is to submit himself both internally and externally to the conduct of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and prayers be upon him).

The advantages of this lie in the husband assuming his natural role as prescribed by Allah and exemplified by the Messenger of Allah (peace and prayers be upon him). If the situation were to be reversed, then this could not be the case. If anything, the man would not just be neglecting his duties as a husband, but as a Muslim as well. If the situation were to be reversed, it would behove the woman to instead leverage this dominance in order to encourage her husband to fulfill the rights he owes to her and to humanity. If he accepts this, then the natural order as described above would inevitably fall into place.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by 08-15 on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:10PM (#25797212)
His marriage already has a dominant partner: his wife.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by trianglem on Saturday January 16, 2021 @01:10PM (#25804012)
Evolutionarily, men have a much harder time being submissive.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by ibn_khaldun on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:21PM (#25797317)
As salaamu alaikum. I love you. Thank you for sharing this post and making the most profound comment that I have read on this site, bar none.

It is strange to assume that two people who are different by their very nature can be “equal”. The sense of equality between a man and a woman can only come about by the fulfillment of the rights that exist between the two of them, which are different but have to be observed reciprocally.

The problem is that we (meaning humanity at large) are totally unaware of the rights that we owe to each other. Not just in the household, but outside of it as well. Worst of all, we are unaware of the rights that are due to our Creator.

May Allah, the One who is Most Gracious, strengthen you and your wife. Ameen.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by demadog on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:53PM (#25795469)
Just a thought, but what if you set a daily time limit of being fully engaged and present with your wife, say for an hour or two, but then it is understood that you need ~3 hrs of alone time.

Sounds like you’re an introvert and need time to recharge from managing a team and you’re burnt out from that.

I think she’d be delighted with an hour a day of full presence, perhaps more on the weekend.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by rel-throwaway on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:30PM (#25795964)
This is a good suggestion and something I am going to attempt to negotiate. I think part of the problem is something a person called out below -- we are fundamentally different. She does not need the same amount of time alone and may resent me for wanting that. But something to try.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by mercer on Saturday January 16, 2021 @03:29AM (#25800956)
Counselling might help too, perhaps. It can be very difficult to explain what you need and why, but doubly so when the other party has difficulty hearing and understanding what you're trying to say. A professional counsellor can really help with that.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by joshspankit on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:46PM (#25796978)
If she resents you for something that is your nature, that’s (as you know) unsustainable. Resentments like that may need to be dealt with with the help of a neutral therapist.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by Pet_Ant on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:59PM (#25795546)
I’m not sure how I would feel if my partner wanted to spend 3 times as much time alone as with me. That’s kind of degrading unless you are both into that.

What are you getting out of the relationship at all? Sounds like they should leave and be alone.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by anotherman554 on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:12PM (#25795725)
In the TV show Six Feet Under one of the couples found happiness when they realized they shouldn't live together but they were happy to date each other and see each other regularly, just not all the time, because the boyfriend went through cycles when he enjoyed socializing and cycles when he wanted to be alone.

That strikes me as fine if both people are happy with the arrangement, but if kids are in the picture or one of the partners is unhappy with this arrangement I don't know if it will work.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by demadog on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:21PM (#25797961)
Yea for sure but I think the message is that 1 hour of engaged time - such as going on a short date (at home or other) is much better than 4 hours disengaged and thinking of work while watching Netflix
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by alsetmusic on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:28PM (#25796774)
Have you considered getting a psych evaluation? I’m not trying to swipe at you, I’m approaching this with the most positive of intent.

What you’re describing sounds like a personality disorder of some sort. Identifying such may help surface strategies for lessening those feelings. Disclaimer: not a mental health professional, but have had a couple in my personal life.