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Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by throwaway6299 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:53PM (#25795462)
How strange, just created an account to say that I am the same way and was thinking about this a lot last night. (Although, I don’t think I am emotionally abusive, as I feel my spouse demands things that are entirely unreasonable, like frequently asking me to leave work in the middle of the day to come help with something or buying a house and dog when we had less than $1,000 in our account).

All I wanted my whole life was a happy family with a happy relationship like my parents had. That didn’t happen and now all I want is to be left alone, and it’s like everyone wants something from me but I don’t need or want anything from them. I have a great job now, so the only thing I look forward to each day is hopefully reaching financial independence before I’m 40. At least then I can “buy” some alone time.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by rel-throwaway on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:27PM (#25795927)
There has been plenty of unreasonable stuff over the years. Early in our marriage she spent close to 1000$ at the mall which left us short of funds to pay her grad school tuition that I had been saving to pay for her. Till date she refuses to understand our financial picture and will be completely lost if I were to get hit by a bus tomorrow. Also, she has not worked for >90% of our ~10 year marriage to follow her passion for art which has made ->$0 so far. I am fine with that because we don't need 2 incomes and I am happy she has the freedom to pursue her passions. Thankfully, like you, I have done pretty well in my career and could probably retire in a cheaper country or some midwestern town tomorrow. This is in addition to all the other things she has anxiety about doing -- driving the car to new places, walking the dog when it is dark outside etc.

I had the exact same wish. I just wanted a happy family like my parents had. I adore my child. Now I just wish we could both get out of this without damaging him too much and I can be left alone.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by 08-15 on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:08PM (#25797189)
> she has said that me being reluctant [...] is a form of emotional abuse

> her grad school tuition that I had been saving to pay for her

> she has not worked for >90% of our ~10 year marriage

My friend, you are not abusing your wife. She is abusing you. She is also gaslighting you into thinking you are the problem. You're not. And she is using your child to blackmail you emotionally.

> things she has anxiety about doing -- driving the car to new places, walking the dog when it is dark outside

This isn't anxiety, it's laziness. But if you're merely reluctant about the exact same things, she calls it "a form of emotional abuse." Brilliant.

Unfortunately, the way the law is currently applied, there is nothing you can do without violating it.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by menotyou on Friday January 15, 2021 @07:05PM (#25798361)
I agree 100% with 08-15s reply. Looks more that she is abusing you.

I was married to a woman who behaved in a similar fashion. Calling me during work days for ridiculous reasons. Never satisfied. Needed constant attention. Took all disagreements as personal attacks. Needy, prickly, never thankful to anyone. In the end we separated as everything in the marriage was one way street in her direction.

Today I regret that I did not leave her more early but tried to rescue the family by letting everything her way.

Looking back she had a Narcistic Personality Disorder (which was meanwhile confirmed by a psychologist).

Get books on narcissism. Try to speak to a professional if you believe she is narcistic. But NPS is (almost) not treatable. So the only solution is to leave if she is narcistic.

Luckily I managed that our kids stayed with me after separation. And for the kids protection, don't leave the kid with her when you leave. (Recommended Reading: "Children of the self absorbed" by Nina Brown).

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by number6 on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:57PM (#25796349)
Do you feel that she doesn't hold up her side of the deal? Did you ever talk about what you expect her to do?

Why are you still together?

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by demadog on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:56PM (#25795503)
She’s likely wanting your presence and testing your loyalty or something? Definitely would help to see a couples therapist but if not, I think setting clear boundaries - like work time is work time - but also scheduling time together would put her at ease and prevent random requests.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by 0_____0 on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:00PM (#25795556)
100% this. I've been working through similar issues in my personal life (complicated by COVID, natch) and what I've come to is that I need to get way better about setting clear boundaries and expectations with people I care about. This can be done in a compassionate way, and relationships will be better in the long run even if doing the boundary setting feels hard or mean in the short term.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by trianglem on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:34PM (#25796025)
I’m going to get downvoted for this but here goes. For a marriage to be successful, one partner has to be dominant. A marriage of equals doesn’t work and your parents (and mine) have happy relationships because this principle was followed. I converted to Islam around 8 years ago and married a Muslim woman and I could not be more happy. For the last 6 years, everyday is bliss and I’ve never performed better at work.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by mafuy on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:01PM (#25796405)
Well you're certainly right that it's easy to want to downvote your statement. I'd like to learn:

Can you explain what the advantages of the dominant marriages are? Since you mention Islam, I assume you're the dominant one. I'm going to assume your wife is happy in her role. Do you think the female can be the dominant one in a relationship, too, or how is that decided?

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by ibn_khaldun on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:41PM (#25797520)
Not my post, but if I may I’d like to offer my input, please.

The word “dominance” seems to carry a negative connotation in the context of interpersonal relationships. There a lot of historical factors that are the cause of this and it's beyond the scope of this conversation to delve deeply into that.

Nonetheless, as far as Islam is concerned, it is the role of the man to wield the influence/be dominant in his household. This is by virtue of his responsibilities -- his attachment to the Masjid (or “Mosque” in the West), his duty to earn a living for the household and his duty as an educator and paragon of good character, not just in the home but in his community as well.

The word “dominance” may suggest a sense of oppression in modern times. But in the scope of Islam, that husband who is “dominant” in reality eschews all reprehensible conduct that could be associated with the word.

As I mentioned before, yes, in Islam there are expectations on the Muslim wife. But likewise there are expectations (if not more) on the Muslim husband. Again, that Muslim man assumes dominance in the household out of the necessity that is to submit himself both internally and externally to the conduct of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and prayers be upon him).

The advantages of this lie in the husband assuming his natural role as prescribed by Allah and exemplified by the Messenger of Allah (peace and prayers be upon him). If the situation were to be reversed, then this could not be the case. If anything, the man would not just be neglecting his duties as a husband, but as a Muslim as well. If the situation were to be reversed, it would behove the woman to instead leverage this dominance in order to encourage her husband to fulfill the rights he owes to her and to humanity. If he accepts this, then the natural order as described above would inevitably fall into place.

Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by 08-15 on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:10PM (#25797212)
His marriage already has a dominant partner: his wife.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by trianglem on Saturday January 16, 2021 @01:10PM (#25804012)
Evolutionarily, men have a much harder time being submissive.
Re:The unsettling truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ hiker by ibn_khaldun on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:21PM (#25797317)
As salaamu alaikum. I love you. Thank you for sharing this post and making the most profound comment that I have read on this site, bar none.

It is strange to assume that two people who are different by their very nature can be “equal”. The sense of equality between a man and a woman can only come about by the fulfillment of the rights that exist between the two of them, which are different but have to be observed reciprocally.

The problem is that we (meaning humanity at large) are totally unaware of the rights that we owe to each other. Not just in the household, but outside of it as well. Worst of all, we are unaware of the rights that are due to our Creator.

May Allah, the One who is Most Gracious, strengthen you and your wife. Ameen.