My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
No one could possibly prove this kind of negative.
Why not? All you have to do is point to one particular company whose systems have not been verifiably breached after having resisted actual attempts.
Re:Ubiquiti Networks Breach
by WaitWaitWha on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:36PM
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> one particular company whose systems have not been verifiably breached
The unknown unknown. How can you be sure all the "resisted actual attempts" been even detected?
You've changed the requirement. To prove a company hasn't been breached, you'd also have to prove that there hasn't been a breach that hasn't been detected (so breached, but not verified). Any given target might already be quietly owned by some state actor or corrupt insider with allies on the outside.
Re:Ubiquiti Networks Breach
by justinclift on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @01:17AM
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Several places probably would have met those goals...
... right up until the SolarWinds hack became public.
The point being, provable "we've never been breached" seems to have a way of turning out to be wrong. :/
Re:Ubiquiti Networks Breach
by imoverclocked on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:15PM
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Challenge accepted?
Just because known attempts have failed doesn’t mean the unknown ones have too.
Re:Ubiquiti Networks Breach
by someguydave on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:22PM
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most attacker groups would be unlikely to share that result
What evidence do you have that anyone has?
When was the last time you heard of a google user data breach?
Re:Ubiquiti Networks Breach
by harrierpigeon on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:59PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Google_data_breach
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1372333/Gmail-hacked-Googl...
Not unheard of at Google, either.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2018/10/09/goog...
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googl...
Maybe you should know literally anything about the topic at hand before making sweeping assertions? I realise that's asking a lot here at HN, but it would improve the site a lot.
I think it's expensive, but possible.
Do you have data to back up your claim that no one, ever has ever successfully remained secure?