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Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by ChrisRR on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:16AM (#25726953)
As a brit, Fox news fascinates me. Because every clip of it I watch is so clearly opinion piece propaganda, they don't even pretend like they're reporting the news

Even our "equivalent", the Murdoch owned Sky News channel is nowhere near as bad as Fox news

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by pmyteh on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:20AM (#25727473)
We're about to get our own: News UK News (from Murdoch) and GB News (fronted by Andrew Neil) are starting, expressly on the Fox News model. It was thought until quite recently that the requirements for 'due impartiality' and 'due accuracy' in the Broadcast Code precluded expressly partisan TV news (unlike newspapers). But these two have been licenced anyway, so clearly not.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by M2Ys4U on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:32AM (#25728618)
Ofcom explicitly can't take pre-emptive action around content issues - the offending content must be actually broadcast before they can do anything.

They can decide that a person is not "fit and proper" to hold a broadcast license, but that's a fairly large hurdle to overcome (and it is, of course, judicially reviewable).

To be honest, this is how it should be. A presumption in favour of broadcasting, but with the ability to shut a broadcast down for repeated and/or egregious violations.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by intended on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:46AM (#25728170)
Wow. There’s 300 mn people in the UK and 66 mn in the UK.

Id worry that polarizing people would take no time at all.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by agumonkey on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:44AM (#25728148)
In the recent years it seems every country had its fox news variant. In France it could be BFM (albeit quite lower in terms of noise, but still prone to mob level conversations)
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by dazc on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:53AM (#25728236)
So how did Sky News cover the US recent election? I assumed it would have been singing to the same hymn sheet as the rest of the UK media but I am open to the idea I was wrong?
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by ChrisRR on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:36AM (#25746005)
I haven't seen any UK news outlet that attempts to paint trump in a good light, not even sky news
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by narcissismo on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:03AM (#25727824)
Yes. Brexit was clearly a grassroots movement started by a 65 year-old man on an allotment.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by koheripbal on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:27AM (#25728003)
There is likely some significant sample bias if you're receiving clips from social media.

If you go to conservative forums, you'll find the same biased clips of CNN/MSNBC that portray those networks as heavily propagandized.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by simonh on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:53AM (#25728238)
Also a Brit. I occasionally go directly to the Fox News web site just to see their take, because I'm basically a conservative and have been a lifelong Conservative voter here in the UK. The main problem I have with Fox News is the lack of reflective self-analysis of conservatism or republicanism. There's no sense of trying to figure things out, to look at problems with a clear eye and then say what the conservative answer to an issue is, there's no attempt to course correct when things go wrong or in an unexpected direction. It's all about on-message heavily editorialised spin, omitting or heavily spinning anything that doesn't fit the narrative. As such, I find it almost completely useless to me. The news is incomplete and the opinion is uninteresting. They're really little better than RT.

Fortunately there are some decent conservative leaning news sites, such as The Federalist and National Review, but Fox News does seem to dominate. Even though I often find myself disagreeing with what the leftier US news organisations say as opinion, they're much better at actually delivering facts and presenting differing opinions with useful context.

To be fair, we have the Daily Mail over here. It's not as bad a Fox generally, but it depends on the topic. The BBC does definitely have a left bias, but it's pretty mild and they're really good on informative content. We do have The Economist though, which is our jewel in the crown of news and opinion IMHO.

The bottom line is though I even can go to the Guardian web site, and I might think they're off the rails a bit and missing context. Some of their opinion pieces are ridiculous, but I can generally trust their factual information. I can't trust Fox or the Daily Mail on facts. That really worries me because a movement based on or informed with extensive misunderstanding of basic facts, or worse with a disregard for the truth, is doomed long term.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by nathias on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:48AM (#25727702)
I agree, but its the same with the left media, the news are so highly politicized and opinionated that when comparing two news stories wouldn't be able to tell they are talking about the same event. One calls the other conspiracy theorists, the other is fake news, and everyone is applauding when their team is censoring the other.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by jeltz on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:03AM (#25727820)
There is left wing media like that but none of it is close to as big as Fox News. Yes, both sides do it but quantity matters.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by nathias on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:04AM (#25728335)
The left uses a different style, so if you are more left leaning you are less likely to recognize it as propaganda, but you can analyze a few articles where you have some more immediate source (whole video, images etc), and both receptions. Propaganda isn't just lies, its omissions, shifting importance and focus, framing, use of statistics etc.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by intended on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:00AM (#25728297)
This is being nice to Fox, which was designed and imagined from, the ground up, as a partisan machine.

I mean these are the people who happily pushed and continue to push creationism because evolution (science) is a problem for them.

People are aghast today by how there’s a separate reality, but the human trials were done in public.

Creationism was the writing on the wall.

Lumping Fox in the same breath as both sides is not true.

The other side doesn’t include just “leftist” content, it includes the BBC, NYT, and apparently Jstor papers and Darwin.

Fox also actively prevents content that undoes its narratives. They argument is that “the other side does it.”

There’s no doubt that there is motivated reasoning and bad arguments in the normal news.

But Fox uses that as an excuse to give up altogether and just double down.

America is where it is because Fox News paved the way. You couldn’t give them enough credit for what they achieved.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by janlukacs on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:44AM (#25728144)
i'm not american, but watching CNN and FOX News is EXACTLY the same thing - two propaganda machines masquerading as news.