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Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by tehjoker on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:35AM (#25697605)
As a leftist, I am torn as the President did just incite a coup attempt, but this is a decisive demonstration that mega-corporations can just discipline the speech of the president (really the enemies of the DNC currently, though that will change to Rs in future elections). I think they will exploit these powers to a far greater extent going forward. There is nothing to celebrate here.

Trump's base of support is insane, but somewhat independent of control by Washington (versus the Democratic party electorate which loyally votes for the chosen leader). The establishment is finally asserting its power to lay down the law. Unfortunately, the country is spinning out of control for reasons they can't or won't manage so this will only be a band-aid though it's gonna hurt for us.

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by rualca on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:58AM (#25697788)
> (...) but this is a decisive demonstration that mega-corporations can just discipline the speech of the president

It really isn't. Trump unilaterally desired to use a private service as his main medium of mass communication, while he also unilaterally decided to not only shun his standard and traditional media of mass communication.

If he wanted it, he had at his disposal all media in the whole world to address the public.

But somehow he chose to use a free service provided by a single and very specific private company which also has a very public and clear list of service terms and conditions.

To make matters worse, in spite of his individual choice of using the private company's service as his exclusive medium of mass communication, somehow he also threatened the company with judicial and criminal persecution if they didn't abused by his very personal and unorthodox choices and preferences, which rendered his continuous use of the service as a major liability.

Thus it's pretty obvious that no, a corporation like Twitter cannot discipline the speech of a US president. What we have seen is a president that, due to his individual lack of judgement and insistence of exclusively using a private service while ignoring every single alternative there is in the world proceeded to violate the service's terms and conditions, thus resulting in the service being terminated.

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by tehjoker on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:53AM (#25698122)
It's not just one service, we're seeing Twitter and Facebook and now a mail service too. It's really a large fraction of the services he uses coordinating to shut him out for better or worse.
Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by rualca on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:33AM (#25701730)
> It's not just one service, we're seeing Twitter and Facebook and now a mail service too.

I haven't seen any reference regarding any email service, and to me that sounds something between unbelievable and an absurd excuse in light of the criticism of Hillary Clinton's use of a private email service.

And moreover doesn't the white house operate their official email service?

Regarding Facebook, all I've seen is a notice that an official page that wasn't used at all was suspended for a week. Does a temporary suspension of an account that's not used count as manipulating speech?

I understand the need to grasp as straws to find any excuse for outrage, but you have to do far better than that.

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by brigandish on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:41AM (#25712412)
> I haven't seen any reference regarding any email service

It was in a former title of this page, and if you'd followed the link and read the tweet you'd see it was about a service called Campaign Monitor:

> Email Marketing | Email Software | Campaign Monitor

That's the strap line for their website. Like many here, I often read the comments, sometimes without reading the linked site, but when commenting it does help to follow the link first.

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by ulucs on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:56AM (#25697763)
Calling that a coup is pretty insensitive towards people who have actually been through coups, especially since it's usually the US establishment govenments funding and protecting the perpetrators.
Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by nitrogen on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:00AM (#25698167)
Calling that a coup is pretty insensitive towards people who have actually been through coups

With the utmost sympathy for those who have experienced coups and aware of the crap "enlightened" governments pull around the world...

I do want to say that gatekeeping and shaming of the form "using [word X] is insensitive to the people of real [word X]" is one of the trends that is amplifying division in the US. There's probably a better way we can acknowledge worse problems without inadvertently damaging discourse.

That said... an attempted coup can take many forms.

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by ulucs on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:39AM (#25699876)
Eh, you're speaking from a position of privilege that I can't comprehend. But I can assure you I'm not being offended theoretically for someone else's sake.
Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by tehjoker on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:51AM (#25698115)
It wasn't successful or nearly successful, but I saw some potential for creating a drawn out process that could create the space for more support for them (but they failed). I am well aware of the hideous things the US does around the world and organize to try to stop further interventions.

This was not on the same level, but I don't think it's helpful to deny that the objective of these guys was to overturn the election and they had institutional support from the President, legislators, and it appears the Capitol Police. Off duty cops and military were in the crowd. It just wasn't sufficient or well enough planned.

In my opinion, what we witnessed is the farce part of the classic quote: "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by fra on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:15AM (#25698262)
to-may-to to-mah-to. The president incited a mob to attack congress. Pipe bombs were planted, law enforcement agents were injured and killed, the aim was to disrupt a legitimate election.

Was it clumsy? Yes. Doomed to failure? Absolutely. But make no mistake, had the crowd encountered some of the members of congress they dislike it would have ended much more poorly.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to call it an uncoordinated, ham-fisted attempt at a coup.

Re:Campaign Monitor has suspended President Trump by rswail on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:39AM (#25712867)
Trump incited sedition and insurrection, leading to an attempt by the mob to take over the seat of US government, with members of that mob stating publicly that they had every intention to take prisoners and execute the two individuals next in line to the Presidency.

How is that not an attempted coup d'etat?