WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by teekert on Thursday January 07, 2021 @05:20AM (#25669399)

For a family that are all on the same server, Nextcloud Talk is also nice and "relatively easy" to set up (and 0 effort when you already use Nextcloud). I am still desperately waiting on Talk being able to use the federation features of Nextcloud (so you can chat to users on other servers). That would increase my usage a lot, my parents are on another server (which admittedly also runs from my basement) and I have colleagues with their own server...

I do use Signal and Telegram with some friends, I really find the difference between WA and Signal to be small. Telegram though is a lot nicer as a platform, it has some channels I'm part of and the desktop client is much better. But this comes with privacy/security trade-offs as mentioned in this thread.

I also use Element.io for some channels and groups. I find it surprisingly nice. I may set up a server myself soon.

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Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by Aachen on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:51AM (#25669983)

As someone who doesn't use WhatsApp, thanks for mentioning WA and Signal are not very different and that Telegram has better UX. That matches what I thought, but I didn't know and I was a bit worried what I'd be signing my family up for when asking them to switch away from Telegram.

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Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by teekert on Thursday January 07, 2021 @07:30AM (#25670265)

Yeah, Signal used to handle changing phones pretty poorly but that is sort of solved now (you can store your groups and phonebook in the cloud behind a pin). Other than that it is really nice. The desktop client is arguably better than WA's web solution, although I have run into non-syncing messages, but, you can use the desktop client with your phone off, which is a major + imho.

Honestly, Signal is just super high quality when you take into account how privacy focused it is, I could easily replace WA with Signal, apart from "the network effect".

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Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by Aachen on Thursday January 07, 2021 @08:25AM (#25670708)

> you can use the desktop client with your phone off, which is a major + imho

Indeed, if it has to go through my phone it's nigh unusable in my opinion. Wire and Element/Matrix handle this properly since they don't depend on a phone number in the first place (so no need to tie it to your phone), only Signal and Threema are somewhat of a pain in this regard since you need to link it, and only Threema absolutely requires your phone to be online all the time.

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