U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by willis936 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @08:21PM (#25665931)

Mail-in ballots are sent out to people who request them. You would need such a massive identity fraud campaign to move the needle on an election that I can’t believe you would be unable to find any evidence of it anywhere in 50 states. There are no signs to indicate further investigation is needed. Also importantly, there are enough audits in place to catch the whiff of a foul election that can be litigated with evidence discovery.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by baud147258 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @08:26PM (#25665985)

You don't need to do it in all 50 states, just in a few key swing states where the votes were close enough. But even then you still need a quite big identity fraud to pull this off.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by 8note on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @10:39PM (#25667012)

The solution to that is different though. You need to make sure that swing states matter less

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by SV_BubbleTime on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:42PM (#25667353)

> You would need such a massive identity fraud campaign to move the needle on an election

What was the final delta in GA? 11k votes or so? Are you sure it is impossible to move the needle when there are these razor thin margins?

I don’t know so I’m asking.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by willis936 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:52PM (#25667410)

You're going to collect sufficient private personal information about and successfully impersonate 12,000 citizens without anyone noticing? The burden of proof is not on me here. It's an absurd challenge. You can't just hand wave it away. That difficulty is by design. That's the system working.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by hellotomyrars on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:46AM (#25667674)

Even if you throw out or flip Georgia, the math still doesn't work out for electoral votes.

So now you have to move the goalposts to saying that there was massive voter fraud in every battleground state.

Let's be clear, every state certified their votes. This includes states with republican leadership. And every court case brought against the election results has failed.

Even if you accept the idea that in many ways it is difficult or impossible to audit the results (I don't agree), the only evidence that has been presented against the result are absurd conspiracy theories and patent falsehoods as well as testimony from people with an axe to grind.

In other cases we have seen (Gore) there was an actually agreed upon issue. Hanging chads on the ballots were real and verifiable. This is not the case today.

Also let us be clear that this has not happened before. It is not before the current administration that "massive voter fraud" has entered the conversation. It was presented in 2016 despite Trumps win (amusing). It is presented now for no other reason than to distract, raise money, and serve the fragile ego of the President.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:49AM (#25668396)

So we’ve moved from there is no fraud

To there could have been fraud but not enough to win a state

To, ok, maybe one state but not enough states

No dude. No amount of potential fraud is acceptable.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by hellotomyrars on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:56AM (#25668459)

So every election since the founding of our country is invalid? Nice try but you’re a bad actor and you know it. Actual instances of fraud that have been found have been dealt with and surprise, they didn’t change the outcome of this election. If you truly believe that there is massive voter fraud on an unprecedented scale you are quite literally refusing to live in reality and nobody can help you now.

My point is quite clearly that not only are the allegations being made about the election results being invalid are absurd but that even if you accept parts of it unless you accept all of it it doesn’t even have an impact on the outcome.

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