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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by alasdair_ on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:00PM (#25661532)
Is there ANY credible evidence of fraud, anywhere? Or are people protesting solely because they trust Trump?
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by Raphmedia on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:02PM (#25661552)
Conspiracy theory extremism slowly turning into domestic terrorism. It's not a matter of what is real or what isn't. It's a matter of bullying the rest of the population to accept their beliefs as the truth.

https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/infrastructure-s...

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by meepmorp on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:01PM (#25661535)
Without hyperbole, this is textbook fascism.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by mhh__ on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:18PM (#25661804)
"Orange man bad" has not aged well. This has to be one of not many times in politics where someone has been worse than even his own opponents could dream.

History will not look kindly on people who turned a blind eye.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:26PM (#25661928)
Well, a number of Trump's opponents did think we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship inside of a year after he was elected. That didn't happen. This is very, very bad, worse than I expected, but plenty of people on Twitter expected the imminent end of the United States as a free society.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by jacquesm on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:26PM (#25662729)
Not for lack of trying.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @07:13PM (#25664838)
I don't deny that. He has been a terrible president, one of the worst we've seen and certainly the worst on domestic policy in my lifetime. His ambitions -- addled and confused though they are -- reflect the worst impulses of this country.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by MrRiddle on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:43PM (#25662995)
Fascist Trump can't even get anyone from attacking him publicly whatsoever. You really like to use that word, but are clueless and careless.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by 0xB31B1B on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:03PM (#25661564)
no, there is no credible evidence of fraud, this is a fascist brown shirt style coup
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by ksk on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:13PM (#25661731)
Saying there was absolutely zero fraud in this election is inaccurate, but saying the election was "stolen" is inaccurate as well. Every election has irregularities - most of it is people making honest mistakes on forms. As is typical, it is fairly minor in this election as well. Big picture - there are problems with electronic voting that have been researched into by many academics. I believe we must insist that the source code to all voting systems to be made public.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by kyrra on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:07PM (#25661624)
Every election has fraud, and this one was no different. It's just a matter of the scale of fraud. From all evidence thus-far, this election is not all that different than past elections when it comes to voter fraud. There was more chance for fraud (due to more mail-in voting), but no one has been able to prove it was large enough to impact any election result.

So yes, Trump has been riling up his base with words of stolen election, which has led to this moment.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by rorykoehler on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:14PM (#25661747)
The fraud was the black voter suppression.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by standardUser on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:31PM (#25663555)
The only serious problems we can see from the 2020 election, aside from the normal voter suppression that has long been common in many states, was the deliberate hobbling of the USPS by a Trump appointee and donor that results in an untold number of ballots not being counted that would have been counted had the USPS been operating at it's normal efficiency.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by Rapzid on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:05PM (#25661596)
Appeal to authority, what higher authority than the POTUS? For weeks people have been telling Trump and his enablers they were playing with fire. Well..
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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by isbadawi on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:32PM (#25662043)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

Just fyi, Project Veritas has a decade-long track record of intentionally putting out misinformation.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by f430 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:04PM (#25662464)
Which has nothing to do with the content of the video where the person is seen admitting to essentially have committed election fraud by allowing thousands of people without a fixed home address to vote with a false one.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by 8note on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @08:29PM (#25666015)
As long as they only voted once, I don't see the problem. People without addresses still have the right to vote
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by f430 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @10:01PM (#25666758)
People without fixed residential addresses or homes voted using false addresses. There is no middle ground here, the law is explicitly binary. Either you committed voter fraud or you didn't, the criteria is very clear and unambigous
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by aigen001 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:55PM (#25662364)
Project Veritas should not be treated as a credible source.

The Georgia election official has debunked these claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYvOTvqlFs

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by f430 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:03PM (#25662446)
Did you even watch the video? Do you not see the person admitting to committing a felony and allowing people without a fixed address to vote?

I feel like this is really dangerous, when we begin rejecting video evidence of the perpetrator admitting their crimes because other mainstream media labels it as "fake news".

Reminds me of the 1984 and Ministry of Truth

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by aigen001 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:26PM (#25662728)
I watched the 40 second clip of a man chase another man with a microphone. Then a person who works at a homeless shelter says people used the homeless shelter as an address to vote. He alleges some of the people who registered their address to the homeless shelter are dead. At no point does Adam Seeley allege that those dead people voted or were counted in the final vote.

Have you watched the Georgia voting systems manager, Gabriel Sterling, debunk the fraudulent claims of voter fraud?

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by joshuamorton on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:35PM (#25662869)
Georgia law doesn't require having a fixed address to vote. You need to maintain GA residence. The full text of the relevant statute is here[0]. Note section 15b.

The form requires an address for contact and precinct information. People without a permanent address can use a common place of residence (where they can receive mail), such as a shelter, or if they don't have one of those, they can register in the park they sleep in [1].

Ultimately, it is up to the district registrar to determine if the residency is legitimate, but this is decided not based on the existence of a conventional fixed address, but based on the demonstrated intent to reside in the state (and more specifically the municipality).

[0]: https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2...

[1]: https://faq.georgiavoter.guide/en/article/how-to-register-to...

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by f430 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:01PM (#25663214)
> You need to maintain GA residence.

Which people without fixed address do not. We are talking vagabond voting without residence so they used the shelter's address.

You can criticize Veritas all you want but that is not the focus here. Someone was caught on the record admitting to committing a felony in the state of Georgia.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by mikem170 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:16PM (#25663385)
Georgia made residency requirements for voting that allow the homeless to vote. That's their prerogative. Same rules allow people who live year round in expensive recreational vehicles to vote, also.

Different organizations define residency differently. There is no single accepted way to prove residency. Sometimes a drivers license does the trick. Usually to get a a drivers license you need a utility bill or a lease. To get in-state tuition you need to prove a year of residency. Proof of residency for state taxes is more complicated, and varies by state. Residency is different than domicile, etc. As someone who has moved around a lot I've bumped into quite a bit of this.

There's nothing in the constitution saying that a person needs to own or rent a house to vote.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by joshuamorton on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:10PM (#25674841)
> Which people without fixed address do not

They do, according to the statue I literally just linked. There is no legal requirement for a fixed address. If you disagree, you're welcome to cite the relevant text from the ga code.

O.C.G.A. 21-2-217 section 15, specifically, gives county registrars broad authority to accept people based on exigent circumstances, including homelessness.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by 8note on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @08:31PM (#25666043)
What's the relevant statue in Georgia law for defining residence?
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by alasdair_ on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:51PM (#25663802)
People without a fixed address ARE allowed to vote. They are still residents of the state. I'm not sure what the point of this clip is - the thing that was admitted is completely correct and legal.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by triceratops on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:20AM (#25667867)
> committing a felony and allowing people without a fixed address to vote?

Please cite the relevant statute that you think makes that a felony.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by InitialLastName on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:43PM (#25662985)
If that's your complaint, you should be really mad at Donald Trump for using an illegal residence as his voting address, right?
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by pibechorro on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:05PM (#25661593)
There is very suspect video evidence of hidden away votes being snuck in once the room was cleared and those votes pushed Biden on top after Trump was winning. There is also iffy statistical data on the numbers of votes.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by selimthegrim on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:43PM (#25662988)
Have there been any Benford’s Law studies? Post them!
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by vancan1ty on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:15PM (#25661759)
https://hereistheevidence.com/ presents some evidences, up to reader to decide if credible/substantial or not
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by alasdair_ on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:58PM (#25663873)
Have you found anything credible? All I can find with random clicks are lots of very long youtube videos that don't ever seem to get to the point and links to voting laws in particular states without any context.

It gives the impression of there being plenty of evidence, but non of the items I looked at actually upheld what they claim.

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by mhh__ on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:21PM (#25661837)
Do we know who runs that site? It could be accidental but it looks like a very low information way to barrage one's opponents and avoid specific criticism