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Re:ECC matters by raverbashing on Sunday January 03, 2021 @10:59AM (#25622471)
Yeah I'm always annoyed with this kind of mistake. Especially as non-native speakers should know better than the native ones (which usually don't give a f.).

Now the point about internally doing ECC is an interesting one, could be a way out of this mess. And apparently ECC is more available in AMD land

Re:ECC matters by simias on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:06AM (#25622532)
For a 2nd language speaker making these homophonic mistakes is actually a sign of fluency. It means that you just transcribe a mental flow of words instead of consciously constructing the language.

The first time I wrote "your" instead of "you're" in English I thought it was quite a milestone!

Re:ECC matters by andi999 on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:50AM (#25622880)
Yes. I noticed this. When I was younger, I thought how can you mix up 'their, they're, there' people you do this must be the opposite of smart. This lasted for 4 years living in an English speaking country....
Re:ECC matters by harperlee on Sunday January 03, 2021 @12:23PM (#25623160)
As an “english as a second language” user, I can’t see myself writing e.g. “should of” instead of “should have”, however fluent I am. I think you don’t make that kind of typo unless you have learnt english before grammar.
Re:ECC matters by simias on Sunday January 03, 2021 @02:10PM (#25624162)
I also wouldn't do this one, but that's because in my English accent I simply wouldn't pronounce them the same way. Also the word sequence "should of" is extremely uncommon in proper English, so it catches the eye more easily I think.

"You're/your", "their/they're", "its/it's" and the like are a different story, because I do pronounce those the same and they're all very common.

Re:ECC matters by lolc on Sunday January 03, 2021 @12:53PM (#25623425)
I was quite surprised when it started happening to me.
Re:ECC matters by harperlee on Sunday January 03, 2021 @01:37PM (#25623857)
Wow that’s interesting!
Re:ECC matters by raverbashing on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:11AM (#25622572)
> For a 2nd language speaker making these homophonic mistakes is actually a sign of fluency.

I kinda disagree because while the homophony works in (spoken) English in written it stands as a sore thumb. So yeah you will make it if you only heard it but doesn't know the written form.

(And in their native language it's probably two unrelated words, so that might intensify the feeling of wrongness)

Re:ECC matters by simias on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:18AM (#25622630)
I mean, my native language is French where "your" is "ton" and "you're" is "tu es", yet it (rarely) happens that I mix them up in English. If I proofread I'll spot it almost every single time, but if I'm just typing my "stream of consciousness" my brain's speech-to-text module sometimes messes up.
Re:ECC matters by leetcrew on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:22AM (#25622669)
meh, plenty of (intelligent!) native english speakers do not know all the canonical grammar rules. english contains a lot of what could be considered error correction bits, so it doesn't usually impede understanding. syntactically perfect english with weird/misused idioms (common among non-native speakers with lots of formal education) is harder to understand in my experience. I imagine this is true of most natural languages.
Re:ECC matters by protomolecule on Sunday January 03, 2021 @02:45PM (#25624524)
For what its worth as a non-native speaker I too started making this kind of errors when my English became fluent enough.
Re:ECC matters by tssva on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:06AM (#25622531)
The really annoying thing is that auto correct on mobile device keyboards will often want to incorrectly change "its" to "it's" or vice versa.
Re:ECC matters by raverbashing on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:12AM (#25622578)
Yes, auto-corrects compound the problem.
Re:ECC matters by phkahler on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:03AM (#25622500)
>> But is ECC more available in AMD land?

Yes it is. The problem is they dont really advertise it. I'm not certain but it might even be standard on AMD chips, but if they dont say so and board makers are also unclear, who knows...

Re:ECC matters by ethbr0 on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:28AM (#25622726)
It's a market size problem.

For consumer motherboard OEMs, only AMD effectively has ECC support (Intel's has been so spotty and haphazard from product to product), and of AMD users, only a small number care about ECC.

So motherboard companies, being resource and time-starved as they are, don't make it a priority to address such a small user-base.

If Intel started shipping ECC on everything, it would go a long way towards shifting the market.

Re:ECC matters by touisteur on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:02AM (#25622493)
I think it's available for customer SKUs on AMD and not just for servers like in 'Xeon-land'... How I've wanted an ECC-ready NUC...
Re:ECC matters by jeffbee on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:08AM (#25622547)
The AMD parts all have the ECC feature but the platform support outside of EPYC may as well not exist. Most motherboards for the Ryzen segment don’t do it properly or don’t do it at all, some support it but aren’t capable of reporting events to the operating system which is dumb. Ryzen laptops don’t have it either.

Closest you can come to a nuc with ecc is I think a mini server equipped with one of the four-core i3 parts that have ecc.

Re:ECC matters by touisteur on Sunday January 03, 2021 @07:58PM (#25626860)
Ah thanks for the real-world check on AMD Ryzen and ECC. Sad state of affairs really, when so many things are integrated in the SOC, why skimp on this...

As for NUCs, I thought there were some Atom chips with ECC but not in NUC form factor ? Something shiny from Logic Supply might do then...

Re:ECC matters by erkkie on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:51AM (#25622884)
Probably not what you meant but https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/190108/... has support for Xeon (and ECC). Now how to actually practically source 32GB ECC enabled SO-DIMM sticks ..
Re:ECC matters by touisteur on Sunday January 03, 2021 @07:53PM (#25626833)
Oh thanks! TIL. Then I just saw the price tag, ouch.
Re:ECC matters by young_unixer on Sunday January 03, 2021 @12:30PM (#25623225)
I've realized that when I'm engaged in the writing (angry or emotional in some way) I tend to commit more of these mistakes, even though I know the difference between "it's" and "its". Linus is always angry, so that probably makes him commit more orthographic mistakes.
Re:ECC matters by africanboy on Sunday January 03, 2021 @11:03AM (#25622495)
As a non native speaker, my phone has both the Italian and English dictionary, when I write its it always auto corrects to it's as soon as I hit space and sometimes it gets unnoticed.