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Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by bisRepetita on Thursday December 31, 2020 @05:45AM (#25591522)
>Ticketmaster apparently lost access to the system by 2015, the same year CrowdSurge merged with Songkick. Songkick sued Live Nation and Ticketmaster for violating antitrust laws. But it soon sold or shut down its services, and in 2018, it accepted a $110 million settlement — plus an undisclosed sum to sell some of its remaining assets to Ticketmaster.

>Ticketmaster expressed satisfaction with the outcome in a statement

Crime pays off, in the end.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by noknownsender on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:03AM (#25592250)
Sounds like we need a corporate death penalty.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by JumpCrisscross on Thursday December 31, 2020 @11:44AM (#25594242)
> a corporate death penalty

This is a silly idea if you think about it.

Companies are packets of assets and obligations. Liquidations usually involve shareholders pulling the plug. If the shareholders want the company to keep going but the government doesn’t, when you liquidate the assets, the old shareholders will simply re-purchase them and re-hire the same (or a similar) team. Not a lot done except hosing creditors and enriching lawyers.

Okay, so you ban former shareholders from buying. Who is most likely to be able to do the fire sale diligence? A competitor. Now you have a policy that promotes industrial concentration.

Fine, ban competitors. At this point, few deeply knowledgeable about the assets can bid. In most cases, a deep discount bid will take the cake. So a wealthy person will get assets at a discount from pension plans and individual investors.

Applying concepts like a “death penalty” to legal fictions is emotionally satisfying but economically dubious. I am actually surprised it hasn’t been suggested as a solution by large-company lobbyists. It creates lots of legal work. A back door for wiping out debts. And it enriches wealthy clients while sidestepping real consequences.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by jennyyang on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:17PM (#25594628)
It's a fantastic idea.

Shareholders, who the Board of Directors claim to be beholden to, would lose everything. The company would get liquidated to the highest buyer. Shareholders would be incentivized to not support crimes or strategies that would lead to corporate execution and Board members would be legally bound and liable if that happened.

It doesn't support industrial concentration. All the company needs to do to avoid executation is to not commit the most egregious crimes. Is that really such a hard ask? No, it isn't.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by JumpCrisscross on Thursday December 31, 2020 @02:02PM (#25595876)
> The company would get liquidated to the highest buyer

Who do you think gets the liquidation proceeds? If not the shareholders, one, that’s expropriation, which rule-of-law countries try to avoid. And two, that’s easier achieved with a fine.

For businesses requiring a license, suspending licenses could kill a business. Otherwise, “death penalty” is, at best, an expensive way to levy a fine and, at worst and most likely, inchoate.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by kyboren on Thursday December 31, 2020 @10:32PM (#25600586)
OK, shareholders might get some proceeds after secured and unsecured creditors, but as I am sure you're aware, share prices are generally a multiple of book value. With a corporate death penalty, the net present value of the expected future earnings of the company is 0.

A fine can be paid and the organization simply continues. But the point of the corporate death penalty is that the organization ceases to operate; executives and board members lose their plum positions in ignominy; shareholders lose enormous value; and the rotten people and incentive structures in the organization are scattered into the wind.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by slipheen on Friday January 01, 2021 @11:50AM (#25604528)
I'm not sure why liquidating the assets is taken as given.

I would be much more amenable with the idea of destroying them.

Any trademarks are revoked, any copyrighted works are now PD, etc. Physical assets are destroyed and put in landfills. If they own a building, tear it down, make it a park.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by lazylizard on Saturday January 02, 2021 @03:26AM (#25611291)
why not do something like civil forfeiture? liquidate it n keep the money
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by z3t4 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:58AM (#25592715)
Ianal. But i think you can be sentence to never run a company again.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by sokoloff on Thursday December 31, 2020 @09:34AM (#25592985)
Also NAL. You can certainly be barred from serving as an officer of a publicly-traded company.

I doubt you can be barred from running a small company (absent being incarcerated which may indirectly/practically bar that).

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by treespace88 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @09:52AM (#25593142)
Ohh that’s good. No longer able to own any corp or LLC anywhere. Forced to liquidate all holding and be taxed as a normal citizen.
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Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by 93po on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:35AM (#25592510)
What, is it against the rules to be against the evils of capitalism?
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by snarf21 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:21AM (#25592381)
And when the fines are so small for such huge crimes with no jail time for executives, this is what you get.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by xwdv on Thursday December 31, 2020 @06:59AM (#25591880)
If it didn’t there wouldn’t be any crime.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by NateEag on Thursday December 31, 2020 @07:29AM (#25592039)
Humans are not perfectly rational agents, so this does not follow.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by curtainsforus on Thursday December 31, 2020 @07:49AM (#25592154)
Still, if crime never paid off for anyone, people would wise up eventually- save for exploratory divergent forays in case the situation has changed.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by buckminster on Thursday December 31, 2020 @10:50AM (#25593719)
> people would wise up eventually

Sadly, this isn't true. As quickly as the old idiots realise that their actions are futile, new idiots are born to repeat their mistakes.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by curtainsforus on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:13AM (#25747890)
>save for exploratory divergent forays in case the situation has changed

Sometimes, crime does pay. So there's a risk-reward strategy to being the kind of person prone to commiting crimes.

Two years ago, doing X might have been a net negative; now, maybe due to police cuts etc. it's viable. But it's hard to know this in advance; to find out, someone has to walk the territory.

Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by xwdv on Thursday December 31, 2020 @03:05PM (#25596544)
This can apply to more than just crimes. Careers for instance.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by MaxBarraclough on Thursday December 31, 2020 @09:46AM (#25593081)
Crimes of passion are rarely rational.
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by curtainsforus on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:14AM (#25747900)
It's all evopsych game theory
Re:Ticketmaster will pay $10M for hacking rival ticket seller by sitkack on Thursday December 31, 2020 @01:59PM (#25595842)
When corporations are committing crimes of passion we have a huge problem. In the meantime, fine, jail and restructure.