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Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by dehrmann on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:56AM (#25567707)
> Since we're distributing to old and vulnerable first, I speculate we'll see fataility rate plunge in as little as 3 weeks.

As others have said, there's more lag than you think, so it'll be more like 6-9 weeks, especially with a Christmas surge. The other thing to remember is that we have a poor understanding of how it spreads. I don't mean that it's airborne, but that there isn't much evidence to suggest vaccinating the elderly and first responders is the best way to stop the spread. It's not an unreasonable choice, but there's a lot we failed to understand going into the winter.

Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by jsinai on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:45AM (#25567940)
I’ve always thought that vaccinating elderly and first responders was less about stopping spread and more about reducing fatalities among the most vulnerable. After all it is the least vulnerable who are most likely to be the main spreaders, and until a reasonable portion of <65 year olds are vaccinated, the spread is likely to continue and probably even flatten before that point.

However since most countries in the world are in the middle of a 2nd/3rd wave, it makes absolute sense to vaccinate the vulnerable first rather than try race against the curve with a vaccination programme. Especially when the vaccination lag is longer than the spread.

Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by dehrmann on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:27PM (#25572195)
> less about stopping spread and more about reducing fatalities among the most vulnerable

This is a reasonable strategy, but I disagree with it.

> the least vulnerable who are most likely to be the main spreaders

[citation needed]. To my main point, we just don't understand how it spreads well enough to really say.

Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by Izkata on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:31AM (#25567879)
> > I speculate we'll see fataility rate plunge in as little as 3 weeks.

> The other thing to remember is that we have a poor understanding of how it spreads. I don't mean that it's airborne, but that there isn't much evidence to suggest vaccinating the elderly and first responders is the best way to stop the spread.

Fatalities, not infections. Average age of death is in the high 70s or 80s, so vaccinating the elderly is definitely the best way to drop that particular metric.

Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by throwaway189262 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:37AM (#25567904)
That's true, it's just a prediction. The first doses are going to care homes which have a wildly disproportionate number of COVID cases that end up in hospitalization. I think it's around 30%. And these people can also stay in the hospital longer, trying up beds.

Vaccinating these retirement homes, even with a single dose, should rapidly decrease the load on hospitals.

That's why I think people aren't being optimistic enough about recovery times. When 40% of the hospitalized cases are gone we can handle even a huge surge without overloading health systems. Since most lockdown metrics are based on hospital load, this means taking the country out of lockdown

Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by surfmike on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:31AM (#25567872)
Right, I think parent isn’t talking about slowing the spread, but fatality rate in isolation. Since the deaths are highly concentrated in older people, once they’re all vaccinated then COVID will, on average, be much less lethal and there will be much less pressure on ICU beds.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccinations in the United States by throwaway189262 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:51AM (#25567966)
Yes I was probably too handwavey about it but that's exactly what I meant.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, hospitalization and fatality rates will plummet rapidly. Even if infection rates get far worse hardly anyone (relatively) will die. It will be COVID lite, more like a bad flu season