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Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by DanBC on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @12:07PM (#25519656)
1) Someone says "look at this idiot" and sends me a link to a video. I watch it, and reply to the person "yep, the person in the video is an idiot". The video website has no option for me to say "don't show me any more of this kind of stuff".

2) COPPA means youtube doesn't allow under 13s to have an account. But those children want to use the like and subscribe and notification bell. This means that youtube gets all of my viewing and all of my child's view, but can't tell the difference.

3) There's no way to tell youtube what I like. I watch tiny channels doing original songs and covers. Youtube thinks that's music, and so pushes general chart shit at me. Or it thinks it's some genre of music and pushes huge channels that are roughly that genre at me. I have no way of telling YT that it's the small channels with fewer than 1000 / 10000 subs that I want to see.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by pwython on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @12:48PM (#25520089)
> The video website has no option for me to say "don't show me any more of this kind of stuff".

There are actually two different actions you can take on recommended videos that help. Just click the 3 vertical dots under a thumbnail:

"Not Interested" or "Don't recommend channel."

> There's no way to tell youtube what I like.

I can't imagine a scenario where there's a feasible way to "tell" YouTube exactly what recommended videos you want other than what it's doing now unless the content creators themselves were all on board to properly title & tag their videos. Bigger channels use clickbaity titles (eg. "I was shook when I heard this"). And smaller channels don't know how to utilize keywords.

I personally have never had an issue with YouTube recommendations, especially after using the above method to filter out things I don't want to see.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by ManlyBread on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:24PM (#25520444)
Both features are broken. "Not interested" does nothing aside from temporarily hiding the video. It's not a signal for "I'm not interested in this category of videos". These videos keep coming back anyway and the problem gets much worse if the same content is uploaded to multiple channels. There are videos I've blocked at least five times "Don't recommend channel" is a cruel joke. It works at first but it gets reversed when you view a single video from that channel. There's no way to enable it pernamently. Sometimes I like certain videos from a particular author but dislike the others and don't want them recommended to me and I can't click on a video added to my favourites without reversing the channel block.
Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by JCoder58 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:36PM (#25520567)
If you want a channel gone from your recommendations, subscribe to it, then watch a video, then unsubscribe. At least for me, that makes the channel never show up even if you watch videos from that channel later.
Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by lelandbatey on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:23PM (#25520429)
Additionally, you can go to your history and choose "Remove from Watch History". I've found this can do a good job keeping certain "highly 'viral' videos" from infecting your recommendations.
Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by jsnell on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @12:35PM (#25519953)
For point one, give a thumbs down to the video? One would imagine that is used as a negative recommendation signal. Or delete the video from your watch history.

For point two, I don't think you're correct. Kids under 13 can have accounts, but only with parental approval.

For point three, you're totally right. But if you think through the implications, every aspect of that seems like an incredibly hard problem to solve. And at least my expectation is that you wouldn't get most users to actually interact with that system, since it is too complex. The perfect example of a power user feature that would get killed a few years later as expensive to maintain and little usage.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by mooreds on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @12:41PM (#25520015)
> For point two, I don't think you're correct. Kids under 13 can have accounts, but only with parental approval.

Sure, but how many parents are going to go to the trouble of setting up a separate account? Much more likely they'll just let the kid use their account.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by DanBC on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:27PM (#25520488)
Can you show me where on Youtube I can set up an account for an under 13 year old?

https://support.google.com/families/answer/7124142?hl=en

> When you use Family Link to create a Google Account for your child under 13, your child can use the YouTube Kids app where it’s available. However, they can't use any other YouTube apps, websites, or features until they turn 13 and manage their own Google Account. Your child will be able to use YouTube if you added supervision to their previously existing Google Account.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by jsnell on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @03:15PM (#25521667)
It seems to me that the last sentence you quoted (on accounts that had supervision added to them) has to be talking about use of YouTube generally, not just YouTube Kids.

If they did behave the same way, why list this as a special case but with totally different langauge.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by sabellito on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @12:42PM (#25520020)
You can also click on the vertical ellipsis menu -> Not Interested, and tell them the reason. My recommendations on youtube are extremely on point.
Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by Jabbles on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @12:25PM (#25519852)
You can give feedback by clicking thumbs up/down or selecting "not interested".
Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by DanBC on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @01:29PM (#25520506)
Thumbs up / down has no impact on what videos Youtube pushes.

Not interested and don't recommend channel only removes that channel. It doesn't do anything to remove all the other similar content, and it doesn't do anything to add more relevant content.

Re:Ask HN: Why is making a good recommendation system for Yo... by Jabbles on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @02:16PM (#25521006)
Please cite a source. It seems like it would be an obvious signal to use in recommendations.