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Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by fiddlerwoaroof on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:27PM (#25500402)
I’ll just say that the main benefit of a Tesla, besides driving and handling really nicely is that the electronics are actually good: it’s entertainment system isn’t a hacky afterthought; also, just plugging into the supercharger and walking away makes the whole “messing with payment methods” paradigm of gas stations seem obsolete.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by semi-extrinsic on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:06PM (#25500794)
On the flipside, my 2012 "dumb" car with the good third-party bluetooth adapter I got last year is the end-all, be-all of car electronics for me. It can only go downhill from there.

To me, car electronics should be like a Kindle is for reading. There is a period after you launch the Kindle but before you start reading where you interact with it like a smartphone or tablet. But then once you get started, the notion that you're interacting with a digital device just disappears.

I want my car experience just like that - set up Spotify, Google Maps etc. before I go, then hands off any touchscreen until I stop. And I only use the audio driving instructions from Maps.

Come to think of it, the same applies to running - set up music, tracking app etc. on your front porch, don't touch the screen again until you're finished, that's a sign of a good run.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by fiddlerwoaroof on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:26PM (#25500984)
Yeah, that’s sort of what I like about the Tesla: the interactions I care about are almost all accessed through the controls on the steering wheel (volume up/down, next/previous track, play/pause, cruise control adjustments) or through sticks. The screen mostly is for setting up music when you first get into the car, navigation, car status info (speed, fsd visualization, speed limit, energy consumption). Also, when charging, it’s nice to have a big screen for Netflix.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by vesinisa on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:00PM (#25501293)
Cruise control and playback control on steering wheel are not exclusive to and predate Tesla.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by fiddlerwoaroof on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:08PM (#25501346)
That’s not my point: my point is that I mostly don’t have to interact with the screen while driving because they made good decisions about what controls to put on the steering column.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by vesinisa on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:24PM (#25501473)
This is still very basic car UI desing. Other car manufacturers will catch up with Tesla.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by toomuchtodo on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:59PM (#25501687)
You can imagine why, for many, this is hard to believe. People have said for years legacy automakers will “catch up” to Tesla, while they continue to ramp at Plaid speed.

Culture is hard, but the core of your business. To not embrace the culture your org needs to outcompete competitors is to embrace failure.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by fiddlerwoaroof on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @05:33PM (#25512172)
Yeah, I think the issue is that most traditional manufacturers have leaned hard into integrating components made by a variety of manufacturers. Tesla (and Apple) differ because they are mostly into vertical integration: so, they can design all the parts for the “system as a whole” rather than having to work around the limitations of particular off-the-shelf solutions.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by brianwawok on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:38PM (#25501106)
I will say, telling my car “my ass is cold “ is a pretty fun interface.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by ska on Monday December 21, 2020 @08:18PM (#25501807)
Isn't this sort of an argument in favor of an apple car?

With tesla the over all build quality for price range isn't great (they are getting better), but the software integration and UX is really good.

Apple is really good at both those things, if it translates to cars that could be compelling.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by enos_feedler on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:07AM (#25503083)
Yes, I believe this. I was on the fence about a Tesla for years. Something just didn't sit right with the experience inside one. I don't feel that with a BMW, so I got a 3 year lease, specifically timed for when I think the Apple car will drop.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by kllrnohj on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:57PM (#25503020)
> it’s entertainment system isn’t a hacky afterthought

It's about as hacky an afterthought as you can possibly get, though? It's a giant tablet on a stand. Effective, yes, but also definitely a hacky afterthought, too. There's no attempt of any kind to integrate it into the lines or flow of the rest of the vehicle. And they still can't be bothered to put some basic physical switchgear in the thing. There's nothing tactile about it, nothing that feels premium or well-designed.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by fiddlerwoaroof on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:11AM (#25503104)
I don’t know, the physical switches on the steering wheel do about 90% of what I need while driving.

Anyways, Tesla computer interface is so much nicer to work with than the system on my 2014 Honda Odyssey: the software there has all sorts of arbitrary limitations that makes things like “playing” music irritating. Plus, traditional car manufacturers do crazy things like treating the “navigation package” as a premium feature or whatever. Not to mention that the Tesla gets OTA updates regularly while I’m mostly stuck with whatever bugs or limitations my Honda had when it was built (unless I take it to a dealership and ask for the firmware to be updated.)

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by fiddlerwoaroof on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:15AM (#25503130)
When I bought the car, I was pretty much a skeptic in multiple dimensions and intended to return it in the seven day window if I didn’t like it. It ended up being like my initial reaction to the iPhone only having a touchscreen: the car, to me at least, just feels right.