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Re:The Internet Is for Porn by hshshs2 on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:49PM (#25489846)
sure but the actors aren’t making the most money, the men running the companies are
Re:The Internet Is for Porn by cbozeman on Sunday December 20, 2020 @06:03PM (#25490442)
Okay, think about the person who goes into porn.

Have you seen Hot Girls Wanted? What was the average salary of female porn talent, annually, again? Less than $40,000 if I recall correctly? If even that much? It might have been $35,000.

That's $17.50 an hour. That's a line worker at an injection molding plant making car parts. And that's a job that gets you health, dental, vision, life, short-term disability, long-term disability insurance, and a few other perks. That's in Arlington, TX. I know that because I have a family member who works there. She also gets every holiday that the corresponding GM assembly plant gets, because after all, why do they need to be at work if GM isn't making cars? And this is a job that is so "demanding", you don't even have to submit a resume. You literally just show up, take a drug test, get 2 hours of training in a classroom, get 4 hours of training on the factory floor, and you start the next day. She did.

If porn actors and actresses had the wherewithal to actually set up all the necessary shit to run their own studios... they wouldn't need to do porn.

You have to understand cameras, optics, lighting, video and sound editing, advertising, search engine optimization, website creation, front-end development, back-end development, etc. and so forth.

The "whole package" stack for a single person, or even a small group of people, wanting to get into porn, is significant. Anyone who has even a few of the skills I listed above, doesn't have to get fucked on camera for money.

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by Larrikin on Sunday December 20, 2020 @08:50PM (#25491352)
>>they wouldn't need to do porn.

Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy.

Why is working at an injection molding plant making car parts such a better job? Seems extremely boring in comparison. The only real argument to make for it is that there are people out there who feel the need to shame people doing that kind of work and don't feel the need to do that for the person making auto parts.

The real comparison is also not the factory job, but the jobs that are like musicians and artists. Most of them know after a certain age they aren't going to get rich doing it but its work they enjoy. Some people get a little older and eventually decide to go for a different line of work but theres people that will shame the sex worker directing or doing scenes on the side (possibly even fire them from their job) but will praise the guy being in a Bob Dylan cover band with a couple of his friends.

Theres exploitation in the system that needs to be fixed but it seems like sites like OnlyFans giving the content creators choice are making steps towards that, as opposed to the others entrenched in the industry that are happy to take advantage of young people, something common in a lot of industries. Politicians, tech companies, other aspects of the entertainment idustry, have been happy to exploit unpaid and underpaid interns straight out of college. Nobody deserves to be exploited because they are young.

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by cbozeman on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:28PM (#25491570)
> Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy.

Probably because we're biologically programmed to understand that's not the case?

It boils down to a simple, but true, undeniable - and apparently for a lot of people, unpleasant - maxim from biology - Sperm are cheap, eggs are expensive.

There's a reason that male birds evolved colorful plumage and in many cases, elaborate dance displays. There's a reason the males of hundreds of thousands of other species have evolved to impress females of their species.

You may not like it. You may not agree with it. You may not condone it. But you're not going to change it. You don't have the power. The only thing that'll change this is time. Lots and lots of time. People think you can separate genetically reinforced biologically-ingrained biases from culture. You can't. You won't. No one can. It has to progress slowly, over time.

The world that many progressive people want may come to pass one day, but it won't be today, it won't be tomorrow, it won't be 10 years from now, it won't be 100 years from now.

Bookmark this comment and come back whenever you want. See how long it takes for the majority of society to shift. You'll have a very long wait.

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by GoblinSlayer on Monday December 21, 2020 @11:46AM (#25496619)
Birds had too different evolution, they have roughly equal hard skills, which isn't true for humans. For humans sperm and eggs are entertainment and are quite high on Maslow pyramid, but the lower levels are solved only by men, and women have only eggs to offer in exchange (also developed plumage), and that's how they adapted, for them sex isn't entertainment, but survival, i.e. they are evolutionarily programmed for prostitution. And sex workers do enjoy sex, like everyone. You better make attractiveness of sex work your point.
Re:The Internet Is for Porn by worik on Sunday December 20, 2020 @10:45PM (#25491951)
Society is shifting.

I have noticed huge changes in my life.

The bigotry and prejudice about sexual desire and sexual "acting out" may or may not be due to some fantasy about the relative price of sperm and eggs.

In other cultures, other places, other times that bigotry, prejudice, and shaming was/is not a thing.

A equally valid possibility is the shaming of sex work is due to misogyny. It is the powerful men brought down by the "sluts and whores". Hence the shaming.

I have a argument for that: In my country until recently it was a crime to offer sex for money but not pay money for sex. If the underlying cause was "relative cost" not misogyny then that difference would not exist

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by cbozeman on Monday December 21, 2020 @01:14AM (#25492547)
You think its shifting because you're operating on a human lifetime timescale. I'm operating on a million year timescale.

And don't think we can't move backwards from here... quickly, violently, and for many years, decades, even centuries. Its happened before with humanity. Who knows how many times before we had recorded records to reference?

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by mbrodersen on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:13AM (#25493865)
You clearly have very limited experience with woman. Claiming that all woman are or are not X (for any X) shows that your view of woman is simple enough to almost be a caricature. I am interested in what evidence you have for “we’re biologically programmed to understand ...” I have never heard or seen any evidence for that. So it would be interesting to see what evidence you have for such a strong broad statement?
Re:The Internet Is for Porn by cbozeman on Monday December 21, 2020 @09:14AM (#25495083)
> So it would be interesting to see what evidence you have for such a strong broad statement?

The entirety of the field of evolutionary psychology.

I had a huge post typed up, but I realize that because you immediately went on the attack:

> You clearly have very limited experience with woman.

You're not interested in actually learning anything. You think you already know. You think you've read all the literature. You actually think you're well-informed.

What you want is for people to shut the fuck up and agree with, because you don't want your worldview challenged.

> Claiming that all woman are or are not X (for any X) shows that your view of woman is simple enough to almost be a caricature.

You talk about being a caricature, then immediately go for a statement like this, which is a combination of the worst kind of pedantry and high-functional mental disability...

Here's one for you. Fact: Men are stronger than women. When a biologist says this, they don't mean every man is stronger than every woman. They mean almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

This is one, of many papers in the field: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0265407513487638

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by mbrodersen on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:08PM (#25513967)
Here is a different way to put it: I don’t recognise woman that I have known, loved, made love to etc. in your description of woman. Which makes me believe that your arguments are not correct for woman in general. Unless of course the woman in my life (by some extraordinary coincidence) happens to be the only woman on the planet not fitting into your description. Highly unlikely but of course possible. I by the way recommend reading the papers showing that most “evidence” in Psychology is not reproducible i.e. not scientific. I would caution against basing your conclusions on them.
Re:The Internet Is for Porn by jelliclesfarm on Monday December 21, 2020 @02:01AM (#25492724)
i dont know why you are downvoted. i upvoted you. and bookmarked.

having said that: gender is a spectrum. it's very fluid. it's true for all animals. including humans. but evolution takes millions of years. not the average human lifespan.

unless. we modify it but it wont be natural selection that we can witness in our lifetimes.

Re:The Internet Is for Porn by linspace on Sunday December 20, 2020 @05:57PM (#25490393)
The people running the companies provide something that requires some capital investment and moderate technical sophistication. Meanwhile most people, and actually most sexual life forms in this planet, can perform sex. Unless sex workers unionize supply/demand economics will crush them. I don't see the need to involve male/female dominance in companies to find an explanation, but it seems fashionable nowadays.
Re:The Internet Is for Porn by camgunz on Sunday December 20, 2020 @07:18PM (#25490886)
Yeah like, cherry picking a stat in a huge way. But even worse I think it misses the point that porn is super exploitative to the performers.