Please list tier 2 and tier 3 countries where there is a significant market share of Apple hardware.

Go to a mall in Bangkok and you will lose count of the number of people walking around with iphones. I don't know what you consider a "tier 2 and tier 3" country, since I think you just made that up, but maybe you should travel more.

I do travel a lot, hence why I know how little iPhones are seen around the planet.

I guess Bangkok holds 28% of Thailand population then.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/thailand

Also the issue being discussed here are Apple computers with M1, even less than those 28%, in case you also want numbers.

That's not how statistics work. You said significant market share "of apple products" and there it is.

Don't say

"the issue being discussed here are Apple computers with M1"

when your comment said

"Please list tier 2 and tier 3 countries where there is a significant market share of Apple hardware."

> and still the iPhone is at 28%,

It's not.

It's more like 25% and dropping

In Italy iPhones used to be 50% of the market, because they were a status symbol and it was literally the only smartphone available, ten years after they have dropped below 24% globally, but new sells are much less, because

The number of people buying their first iPhone is declining. Apple's annual Worldwide Developers Conference this week will showcase how the technology giant is diversifying so that it no longer has to rely so heavily on its signature product.

-- 20th June 2020 - Bangkok Post

Regarding new phones Apple is now third with 10% of the market share in Thailand behind Samsung (22.3%) and Huawei (17.6%)

Consider that 25% is a minority, 75% is 3 times larger.

Apple is not gaining market shares anywhere, except in the US.

In China it dropped from 25% to 17%, in Europe from 17% to 14% in the last year.

The article was about ARM in computers, Apple computing devices are only 8% of the total in Thailand.

They were 9% at the beginning of this year.

Have you ever heard of anger management?

Can you disprove the data without spewing all that bile?

I'm honestly worried about your health.

Here's a WSJ article about the topic

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-iphone-isnt-the-cash-cow-it...

Whatever, keep inside your happy bubble if it makes you happy.

Personal attacks are a sign of lack of proper arguments.

Those were not personal attacks, they were explaining that apple stuff is desired around the world and even in countries with lower incomes, people will save up to buy apple hardware, buy it used, etc.

> You clearly don't travel, or you're a liar, because your varied claims are uproariously disconnected reality.

Why is dang allowing this person to bully everyone?

Is this the new normal on HN?

If there were any such thing as "tier 2 and tier 3 countries" in any broad sense, I'd say that's quite a lazy and disingenuous transition from "only on HN" and only something the US cares about, to "outside of the vast bulk of the world's economy".

Further I don't think you understand what "significant" marketshare is. Even 10% marketshare is significant, where the actions of that market player is impactful. But Apple is pushing way above that almost everywhere.

I bet if we do a demographic IP check that is what most HN logins come from.

I surely do, whatever Porsche and Ferrari do have very little repercussions on the automotive market, if you want a comparison.

This circular logic is more disingenuous noise (the userbase of HN is utterly irrelevant given that you're trying to prove your own absurd claim that only HN cares, when clearly the entire developed world cares). How are you not moderated down to transparent by now? [I will tell you why - because the title draws in a certain crowd that is comforted by your nonsense, however fictional it is]

Whatever you hope the position of Apple is doesn't correlate with reality.

Aside: Ferrari has between 0.01% - 0.1% marketshare in a given year in the richest countries, and that is your example why Apple -- at 20% or so in most of the world's economies -- is irrelevant. That is some perilously embarrassing nonsense. Hyundai, in contrast, has 7% marketshare in the US and is considered a pretty big player.

> Apple -- at 20% or so in most of the world's economies

Apple has 17% (and dropping) of the mobile market share in Europe and around 9% in computing.

There aren't many other richer economies in the World.

Ferrari is worth now more than General Motors and Ford, so market share and net worth are not comparable.

Their market share is small because they make a luxury limited edition product.

They limit their production capacity to around 10 thousands cars/year (all sold in pre order), Apple is trying to sell as many devices they can.

There are no Ferrari Store where you can buy a Ferrari and drive it home half an hour later.

It's not a small difference.

Last but not least, there is a lot more competition between car manufacturers, even in the most expensive segments, Apple devices are only made by Apple.

Hyundai, for example, had a net income of over 3 trillion in 2019, Apple net income is measured in tens of billions.

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India would be tier 2 or 3. Apple share is less than 5%. Its very rare to see a iphone in the wild.

> Apple even has 20% of the mobile marketshare in China.

Source? That means one in every five has an iPhone in China.