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Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by jiggawatts on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:53AM (#25384727)
I disagree with your disagreement!

I've had good closed headphones before, and they're... okay... but nothing like a good active noise cancelling headphones.

For example, the Sony WH-1000XM3 is already a relatively good closed headphone! If you put one on with the noise cancelling disabled, it still provides a quite decent amount of isolation. But then instant you press that little switch... near total silence.

I used to tell people that first class tickets on planes are a waste of money because: You're still on a plane, it's still noisy, you just get better food.

But now with my Sony headphones, cattle class feels like first class. It's bliss: I can sleep. I can watch movies and actually understand what people are saying. I can read a book without feeling like there's a running hair dryer behind my head the whole time. The cries of babies are completely inaudible.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by throw0101a on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:18AM (#25385365)
> I used to tell people that first class tickets on planes are a waste of money because: You're still on a plane, it's still noisy, you just get better food.

You also get more legroom and a less cramped seat.

If you're flying "only" five hours this may not be a big deal. If you're flying >10 hours (e.g., across the Pacific), then it can make a huge difference to comfort.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by iso1631 on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:16PM (#25388089)
Depends how much you value the extra money.

First is nice when I get upgraded, but I'd rather take say Qatar Business than BA first.

That said, the headphones I has on a US Airways Business from Manchester to Philidelphia were amazing - far better than the BA ones, so much that I bought a pair (QC25s) while I was in the States.

What with 2020 I haven't been on a plane for over a year now, and I've been on 3 trips on a train, so I've basically forgotten what "out and about" headphones are like. I do wear one on my ear if I'm watching something in bed (hook over ear). Never seen any wireless ones, fortunately I haven't downgraded from my iphone SE so can still use them.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by throw0101a on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:57PM (#25391750)
> First is nice when I get upgraded, but I'd rather take say Qatar Business than BA first.

Yes: for some reason I missed "first".

The upgrade to at least business is probably worth it (budget permitting) for flights ≥8 hours, but going to first is probably diminishing returns.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by kkapelon on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:22AM (#25384947)
>the Sony WH-1000XM3 is already a relatively good closed headphone

It is not. It is a great Bluetooth/NC headphone but certainly not a good closed one compared to other closed back phones specifically built for passive isolation. It is also targeted at consumers.

Have you actually tried the HD280PRO I specifically talked about? It is a professional headphone that is very popular with drummers for a reason.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by the_af on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:29AM (#25385463)
You're arguing with someone who said the Sony headphones are relatively good, and saying they are not because there are better headphones out there? Also, you're arguing with someone who claims they are satisfied with the Sony headphones? Should they not be satisfied?
Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by kkapelon on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:52AM (#25385694)
All I am saying is that NC should not be seen as the holy grail. If you look at my original comment I just said

1. Buy a good pair of closed back headphones 2. Take them on a flight 3. Make your choice

If AFTER you have done this, you still prefer NC (and are willing to pay it) then fine by me.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by robobob on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:56AM (#25385189)
> It is also targeted at consumers i smell audiophile

I own the xm3, i own the Beyerdynamic DT770 which is way more popular with studios and drummers; passive isolation vs ANC is not even a discussion

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by kkapelon on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:49AM (#25385654)
I own xm3, DT770 and HD280 (and several other headphones). The difference in passive isolation between DT770 and HD280 is night and day.

But maybe this is just me :-)

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by vmladenov on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:03PM (#25388648)
I noticed their website mentions up to 32 dB attenuation. What does this mean in practice? A set of 3M Peltor X5 earmuffs have only 31 dB NRR, and NRR is a standard metric for ear protection. The Sennheisers don’t look anywhere near as isolating as the 3M muffs. Personally I use the construction earmuffs for drumming.
Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by ksec on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:05AM (#25384837)
>I used to tell people that first class tickets on planes are a waste of money because: You're still on a plane, it's still noisy, you just get better food.

You get much more leg room. You are getting much more space than an economy.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by oblio on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:27AM (#25384989)
If you aren't tall and you stretch your legs from time to time, it's not a big thing.

Now, business class or whatever they call the thing where you can recline your seat almost horizontally, that's something. I can't really sleep sitting.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by CaptainZapp on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:58AM (#25385203)
Good business class configurations allow you to lie completely flat.

Depending on the configuration you may have a real (narrow) bed feeling, or you may be lying in a sort of tube with not much space to move, but definitely completely flat.

If the price is not outrageous I always go for a business flight on long haul.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by ghaff on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:22AM (#25385403)
The price delta is usually in the thousands of dollars though. That said, especially for trans-Pacific I'll often try to get an upgrade using a combination of miles and dollars.
Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by CaptainZapp on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:33AM (#25385492)
I know, often the prices are absurd.

Absurd means in the 6000$ range from Europe to Asia and I agree that's over the top compared to, say, 700$ economy with a reasonable airline.

Then again upgrading is an option and sometimes really great bargains can be found.

I flew Zurich Bangkok return with Oman Air in business for less than 2'000 in February. In my opinion a very reasonable price for a great product.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by iso1631 on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:18PM (#25388111)
It amuses me that there are people think "nah I won't spend the extra $3k to make my trip livable" while working an industry where 30 year olds are paid $500k a year for writing a bit of javascript.
Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by hombre_fatal on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:30PM (#25388949)
Why would the amount other people in my industry make have an impact on what I can afford? Much less whether I'd put up with a little discomfort for an extra $3k in my pocket.

Also funny how you yourself come up with the ridiculous salary of $500k, something ~nobody here will ever make, as the amount that finally makes $3k sound trivial to you. I agree with that much. That's the salary that would make me finally consider paying $3k for leg room.

Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by ghaff on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:11PM (#25388736)
Most people in tech are not making $500K to write Javascript or anything else. And, even if you make a fair bit of money, $3K isn't a trivial sum to make even 12-16 hours of air travel a bit more comfortable. (It still isn't exactly fun even up front.) I do sometimes use miles and a co-pay to upgrade when I can but, generally speaking, I can get a lot more bang out of that money on other things whether meals or other experiences.
Re:Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max by oblio on Friday December 11, 2020 @02:11PM (#25389460)
That's limited to the US West Coast, almost exclusively.

You need to be level 7+ in a FAANG anywhere else in the world to make anything near that. And you definitely won't be there with "a bit of Javascript".