Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by willis936 on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:43PM
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I don’t have numbers off hand, but from a feeling I have from memory, I would think it is extremely unlikely that TCP checksums are consistently failing to trigger retransmission. Someone must be altering packets along the way.
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Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by cranekam on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:26AM
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TCP checksums are notoriously weak:
https://www.evanjones.ca/tcp-checksums.html
With enough packets passing the dodgy RAM a noticeable number will manage to get mangled in such a way that the checksum is still correct.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by ericbarrett on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:00AM
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Checksums are also often recomputed on transit if the packet is intercepted, e.g. to limit TTL, unflag odd/unused TCP features, that kind of ISP-ish preening. So if it was a software error or even a hardware problem in the right (wrong) spot it’s possible to get this kind of corruption without retransmits.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by noncoml on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:54PM
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I think you are confusing the IP header with TCP header.
Routers don’t touch the TCP header at all
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by ericbarrett on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @11:56PM
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No. URG, “Christmas tree” packets, etc. all can be mangled by the ISP. Or more commonly dropped
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by Avery3R on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:39PM
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if your router does NAT it touches the tcp header
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by noncoml on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:12PM
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You are right, although NAT could be classified as a firewall feature, that runs on routers.
But in any case it's irrelevant in this context as ATT shouldn't be doing any NAT
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by bytesandbots on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:51PM
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In that case, won't there be significant packet loss causing throughput to be very slow? I don't know if this is possible without something messing with TCP headers.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by _-___________-_ on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:08AM
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It is triggering retransmission. It just retransmits until it gets lucky with the (pretty weak) TCP checksum.