Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by willis936 on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:43PM
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I don’t have numbers off hand, but from a feeling I have from memory, I would think it is extremely unlikely that TCP checksums are consistently failing to trigger retransmission. Someone must be altering packets along the way.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by cranekam on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:26AM
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TCP checksums are notoriously weak:
https://www.evanjones.ca/tcp-checksums.html
With enough packets passing the dodgy RAM a noticeable number will manage to get mangled in such a way that the checksum is still correct.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by ericbarrett on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:00AM
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Checksums are also often recomputed on transit if the packet is intercepted, e.g. to limit TTL, unflag odd/unused TCP features, that kind of ISP-ish preening. So if it was a software error or even a hardware problem in the right (wrong) spot it’s possible to get this kind of corruption without retransmits.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by noncoml on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:54PM
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I think you are confusing the IP header with TCP header.
Routers don’t touch the TCP header at all
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by ericbarrett on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @11:56PM
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No. URG, “Christmas tree” packets, etc. all can be mangled by the ISP. Or more commonly dropped
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by Avery3R on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:39PM
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if your router does NAT it touches the tcp header
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by noncoml on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @10:12PM
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You are right, although NAT could be classified as a firewall feature, that runs on routers.
But in any case it's irrelevant in this context as ATT shouldn't be doing any NAT
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by bytesandbots on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:51PM
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In that case, won't there be significant packet loss causing throughput to be very slow? I don't know if this is possible without something messing with TCP headers.
Re:AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits
by _-___________-_ on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:08AM
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It is triggering retransmission. It just retransmits until it gets lucky with the (pretty weak) TCP checksum.
So either the bit corruption is such that is not detected by the checksum
Or ATT is doing something nefarious and touches layer 4 and corrupts the data while doing so