YTM is completely worthless if you have/had a family plan with GPM. My kids basically lost all of their access to music as Youtube itself is not available to kids, no matter how hard you try or how often a parent enters their password.

In classic Internet tradition, you basically need to setup a shadow Google account where you lie about their age and add them to your family account anyway. Thanks Google!

Wait til you discover that the web version of YTM can't chromecast. Yep, Google's own music product can't communicate with Google's own music player product.

The "solution" is to cast the tab. Which means lower bitrate, no music controls, and if you cast to a display device, the whole tab screencasts etc.

I guess it's because nobody important uses the web anymore? Or something?

(Disclaimer: I work at Google. But not on YTM. Most Googlers I know have switched to Spotify, including myself.)

The terms for family sharing are the only thing keeping on YTM at this point.

It really has. Google Play Music integrated so well with everything. YT Music has the massive advantage that there is so much more music on YouTube but damn, the integration is shambolic.

The forced transition was the final nail in the coffin to de-google myself.

Even Gmail, can’t trust that it won’t be deprecated in the future.

I pay for G Suite, it works well. If I have to migrate, I will, but it'd be very upsetting.

Music-wise, I have completely transitioned to Alexa and Amazon Music. The interface is worse, but they seem to be more stable.

I just wish I could upload my own music and have Alexa connect to Bandcamp.

Yeah but Gmail is one of the easiest things to leave (if you have your own domain). There are high-quality alternatives and moving is a half hour of work.

Leaving YouTube is nigh impossible.

> high-quality alternatives

any examples?

I personally love Fastmail, I hear Protonmail is good too.