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Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:15PM (#25249008)
Well I wouldn't pay for it if I could print billions in a snap because then I would start my own company that creates open RISC-V laptops and pcs. But in the current market I will because there's simply no alternative.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by ric2b on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:27PM (#25249108)
What do you mean by no alternative?
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:31PM (#25249133)
All the current 13 inch devices have vastly underperforming cooling systems. Well every device except the Apple macbook pro.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by slang800 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:58PM (#25249302)
If you're not willing to look outside of the exact form factor and specs that Apple happens to support, then open devices aren't a priority for you.

I use a 1 inch thick Thinkpad that's almost a decade old because it runs Libreboot. There is an alternative, but you need to be in the mindset where freedom is more important than hardware.

Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by ddingus on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:10PM (#25249384)
I do too, and that machine is a beast! Plenty fast.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:48PM (#25249627)
Exactly you need to compromise significantly on speed and form factor. It's simply not practical for me to do that.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by bigbubba on Sunday November 29, 2020 @08:00PM (#25249697)
No computers available in the years preceding the present were practical for you? I doubt that.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Monday November 30, 2020 @01:27AM (#25251219)
Not in a 13 inch form factor.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by bigbubba on Monday November 30, 2020 @12:29PM (#25256341)
If you desire the latest and greatest no matter how proprietary, that's your prerogative. But to then pretend you want open hardware but have your hands tied is silly.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by cbozeman on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:14AM (#25252646)
No, its practical... you just don't want to do anything more than what's easiest, because that's how humans have evolved.

You could drive across country right now without a cell phone, just buy a Rand McNally road atlas. That's all you need.

You won't... because it would require you to pay attention to signs and exits, instead of having Google Maps do all that for you.

Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Monday November 30, 2020 @12:19PM (#25256199)
I don't have a smartphone so I do in fact use maps.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by zoid_ on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:16PM (#25249436)
I agree with your message in general, however believe that the new M1 Mac mini has the best (and sufficient) cooling among the new line up.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by ddingus on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:11PM (#25249390)
What is worth what?

Serious question. Freedom / open computing

, or

Spiffy hardware.

Pick one. This is where we are right now.

Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by tengbretson on Sunday November 29, 2020 @09:21PM (#25250131)
Did you not own a computer prior to this month?
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Monday November 30, 2020 @02:22AM (#25251452)
Of course I do. But there is no 13 inch laptop that fullfills my nerds.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by cbozeman on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:15AM (#25252651)
> there is no 13 inch laptop that fullfills my nerds.

I choose to believe this is not a typo.

Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by ekianjo on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:24PM (#25249074)
X86 based PCs are no alternative?
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:26PM (#25249099)
Unfortunately not. There are no 13 inch x86 devices on the market that don't throttle afaik.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by nrp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:18PM (#25249447)
Dynamic Voltage and Frequency Scaling (DVFS) is a desirable feature. You're not getting a 60W CPU in a 13" form factor, but you can get a 28W CPU that will run at 28W indefinitely while also being able to temporarily boost to 60W when needed and thermally able to.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by rowanG077 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:51PM (#25249653)
It's fine if I could get an ultra book that could sustain non boost performance. But even that is too much to ask for intel. I have't tested recently released AMD cpus to claim AMD also falls short.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by ineedasername on Sunday November 29, 2020 @10:42PM (#25250507)
AMD laptop chips are pretty decent: you can find laptops/ultrabooks for about $700 running on a Ryzen 7 4700U. Based on a vs comparison on CPU Monkey it looks like it gets about 80% of the performance of the M1, though only about 25-50% graphics. However, you have much better ram & storage options, all at a lower price, and the graphics are still 2x to 4x better than Intel's on board graphics.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by LeifCarrotson on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:05PM (#25249351)
You've been mislead if you think the 13" Macbooks run at full boost clock all the time.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by wmf on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:21PM (#25249456)
It looks like the M1 does run all out all the time (maybe because it never turbos that much to begin with).
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by macintux on Sunday November 29, 2020 @08:18PM (#25249815)
When plugged in, perhaps, but when on battery those slower cores are going to get used more.
Re:Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon? by dev_tty01 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @08:50PM (#25249989)
No, if you run a heavy computational load on a battery powered Macbook Pro it runs all out on all cores. Lots of reviewers looking at this. Battery life is worse of course under heavy load but still incredible relative to x86 for identical tasks. Faster and less battery usage.