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Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @01:28PM (#25246911)
Systemd is nothing new, Linux copying comercial UNIXes and Windows/VMS, with the community dumping hate left and right on the authors.

cgroups has been a thing on mainframes for decades.

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by otabdeveloper4 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:38PM (#25248321)
Everything "has been done before" in computing. The difference is a matter of degree and attention to detail.

And your comment about it having been a thing on mainframes underscores my point.

The server story for Linux is evolving (and maturing) greatly, and very quickly. The Linux of today is not at all like the Linux from 2010. To say that Linux is stuck in some sort of legacy UNIX quagmire is just silly.

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:00PM (#25248887)
So what ideas are actually new, introduced by Linux crowd, instead of copied from either older UNIXes or mainframes?
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by jzwinck on Sunday November 29, 2020 @07:28PM (#25249503)
How about recvmmsg? I never saw that before Linux, and haven't been able to find a reference to anything similar on say AIX or Solaris.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Monday November 30, 2020 @03:27AM (#25251804)
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by jzwinck on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:21AM (#25253961)
Yes really. I wrote recvmmsg. You linked to recvmsg. They are not the same thing.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by nix23 on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:54AM (#25254321)
I never have seen a Bitrot resistant filesystem on Linux before NILFS.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by otabdeveloper4 on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:24AM (#25252112)
Did you read my comment? There are no "new" ideas in computing. Everything has already been invented in the 1960's. It's the finesse of execution that matters, not ideas.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Monday November 30, 2020 @08:09AM (#25253337)
I did and you are wrong, there are plenty of ideas to bring to the market, when one doesn't constrain themselves to copy mainframes and big iron UNIXes, and catching up with whatever Apple, Google and Microsoft do on UI/UX.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by nix23 on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:57AM (#25254353)
>It's the finesse of execution that matters, not ideas.

That's a crime to say "finesse" and "systemd" in the same discussion.

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by anthk on Sunday November 29, 2020 @01:49PM (#25247036)
SystemD is like Solaris service manager, but far worse.

And, on cgroups, I think AIX has something like that but much, much, MUCH better.

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by qz2 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @03:14PM (#25247681)
It’s even worse. Systemd, dbus and journald are basically service manager, DCOM and Event Log from windows, but worse!

It’s not the wrong type of solution but systemd is somewhat stinky compared to what we could have had.

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:39PM (#25248327)
D-BUS ideas actually trace back to ToolTalk on Solaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ToolTalk

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by mixmastamyk on Sunday November 29, 2020 @02:14PM (#25247227)
What made Solaris sm better? Curious as I never used that one.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @02:04PM (#25247156)
It is called LPAR.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by monocasa on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:13PM (#25248138)
It's called WPAR. LPARs are hypervisor level partitioning.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:36PM (#25248310)
You're right, I stand corrected.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by otabdeveloper4 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:39PM (#25248328)
Systemd does a lot more than just manage services. The underlying architecture is a generic resource and dependency management system.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by nix23 on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:01AM (#25254404)
>generic resource and dependency management system

Generic is the complete wrong word for systemd, it's the opposite of Generic.