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Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by PopePompus on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:12PM (#25235201)
I think the M1 macs are the first really significant product that Apple has introduced since Steve Job's death.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by twoodfin on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:46PM (#25235346)
Apple Watch put a Unix computer with a 16-hour battery life, an LTE modem & multiple health sensors on my wrist. I’d count that as significant.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by PopePompus on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:53PM (#25235377)
Well, I respectfully disagree. The Apple Watch is a successful product, but it really didn't completely disrupt a large existing industry like the iPhone did. I think it's possible that the M1 will trigger the death of x86 personal computers. If that happens, it won't have been an iPhone-level disruption, but it will be a lot more significant than the watch.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by GeekyBear on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:59PM (#25235405)
> The Apple Watch is a successful product, but it really didn't completely disrupt a large existing industry

For some values of large?

>Apple now sells more watches than the entire Swiss watch industry

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/5/21125565/apple-watch-sales...

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by dingaling on Saturday November 28, 2020 @09:39AM (#25237763)
Casio sells more F-91W digital watches per year than the entire Swiss watch industry, too...

Apple's watch was their usual polished refinement of existing, mainly Chinese, SIM-equipped smartwatch designs. They didn't invent a market segment out of a vacuum.

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by lern_too_spel on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:08AM (#25235447)
The Swiss watch industry isn't what it was. Most people I know don't wear a watch.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by simonh on Saturday November 28, 2020 @03:04AM (#25236107)
Wait, where did the goal posts go. Has anyone seen them? I swear they were here a minute ago.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by apendleton on Saturday November 28, 2020 @03:20AM (#25236166)
To be fair to the person you're responding to, the goalposts look to have been "disrupt a large existing industry." "Large" is obviously subjective, but if the example of the disrupted industry is the watch industry, "the watch industry isn't large so it doesn't count" is a reasonable response within the constraints of the original goalposts.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by normaljoe on Saturday November 28, 2020 @09:08AM (#25237570)
Except it did by creating a larger market. Some of that was flashy at the start like the gold watches but ultimately created a new market. Personally I quit wearing a watch sometime around 2010 when I found I was checking my phone and didn't need a watch. Now I am checking my watch for time and weather and not pulling my phone out.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by simonh on Saturday November 28, 2020 @04:54AM (#25236612)
I suppose so, but who was saying this in 2014 and 2015 when the other smart watches were out and Apple's offering was only a rumour? Back then the consensus was the watch would be a watershed test of whether the team at Apple had it in them. Now that they've conclusively nailed it, we discover it didn't count after all.

Of course the expectation was that the Apple Watch should be just as popular as the iPhone and transcend the watch industry completely. Wearables would be the next utterly indispensable technology, maybe even threatening the phone itself. In comparison, 'merely' dominating the existing watch industry and gobbling large chunks of the fitness tracker market seems underwhelming.

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by lern_too_spel on Saturday November 28, 2020 @11:09AM (#25238365)
> who was saying this in 2014 and 2015 when the other smart watches were out and Apple's offering was only a rumour?

I was and still am. As I said, most people I know don't wear a watch, myself included. It was the same in 2014 and 2015.

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by Closi on Saturday November 28, 2020 @05:50AM (#25236852)
But it clearly isn’t a small industry, and wearables are now responsible for c$40bn annual revenue at Apple (includes AirPods now though, also invented after jobs), so dismissing it does seem to be changing the goalposts.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by lern_too_spel on Saturday November 28, 2020 @11:03AM (#25238328)
The goalposts were with widely used computing devices this entire time, but some people want to move them next to typewriters and watches.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by skywhopper on Saturday November 28, 2020 @09:34AM (#25237721)
I hadn’t worn a watch for decades. Then Apple Watch came along and I’ve worn one every day for the last five years. I call that disruption.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by iamAtom on Saturday November 28, 2020 @02:55AM (#25236064)
"it really didn't completely disrupt a large existing industry" - Have you checked market share of Apple Watch ?
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by bredren on Saturday November 28, 2020 @02:35AM (#25235996)
Both of these comments miss the point.

The most significant product produced since Jobs passing is the continuous focus on developing technology in the open that can ultimately be applied to groundbreaking products.

The M1 is the natural evolution of the A series processors and the software development tools Apple has been working on in the open for years.

The next major mobile product from Apple is the natural evolution of the micronization of hardware systems seen on the Apple Watch, tied together with secure and private storage of personal data.

Like iPhone and iPad, Apple Watch is a great product in of itself. But the true product of Apple has been focused iterative delivery.

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by crubier on Saturday November 28, 2020 @05:12AM (#25236686)
> “But the true product of Apple has been focused iterative delivery.”

... Excepted that this is not a product, be any definition ever.

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by pjmlp on Saturday November 28, 2020 @03:46AM (#25236305)
Where are the UNIX APIs on watchOS?

Having fun with writing CLI apps and daemons for the watch?

Plus POSIX support in IoT like devices exists since ages.

Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by saagarjha on Saturday November 28, 2020 @11:40AM (#25238563)
watchOS lets you call much of the UNIX APIs, you (as third-party developer) just aren’t allowed to make command-line tools and daemons.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by pjmlp on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:37PM (#25238962)
Try to make a watchOS app only with UNIX APIs.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by saagarjha on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:40PM (#25238986)
Try to make an app on any platform only with UNIX APIs? GUI toolkits and other platform frameworks always exist.
Re:Apple CPU tricks: memory reordering, JavaScript support, ... by pjmlp on Saturday November 28, 2020 @01:30PM (#25239417)
It works perfectly alright on UNIX clones, with a terminal and keyboard, both are missing from Apple watch.