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Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by langitbiru on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:00PM (#25231019)
And there is a quote: "In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

Sometimes I wonder whether one of the factors that makes US the mecca of technology is the lack of safety net there (compared to Europe).

Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by jandrewrogers on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:01PM (#25231609)
The primary advantage of the US is cultural. It is not just the anomalously high risk tolerance and wealth, but people who attempt audacious goals tend to be celebrated. Americans shed the Tall Poppy Syndrome that is a very visible feature of virtually all other European cultures, perhaps because the US was predominantly settled by "tall poppies".

After years of working in various parts of Europe, I think it distills down to this. Sufficient talent, desire, and capital exists in Europe -- it is missing no ingredients -- but society there pervasively and subtly undermines anyone who dreams of attempting something really bold. It is a shame.

Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by UMetaGOMS on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:46PM (#25231987)
To put it another way, European culture values humility over ego, and does not applaud those who manage to exploit those "lesser" than themselves quite so much.
Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by povik on Saturday November 28, 2020 @05:17AM (#25236715)
No, you are not putting it another way. Achievement is not “exploiting those lesser than themselves”.
Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by triceratops on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:08PM (#25231123)
> Sometimes I wonder whether one of the factors that makes US the mecca of technology is the lack of safety net there

Not really. My bet is on the abundance of capital (hello global reserve currency) combined with excellent universities and a cultural willingness to take risks and do bold things. People who need a safety net, such as food stamps or housing assistance, are rarely the people who start big companies. They're usually too caught up in just trying to survive day-to-day.

Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by tonyedgecombe on Saturday November 28, 2020 @03:03AM (#25236104)
And a huge homogenous home market.
Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by triceratops on Saturday November 28, 2020 @03:09AM (#25236120)
Yep agreed.
Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by durnygbur on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:15PM (#25231204)
> they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

Hey, the Swiss evolved the cuckoo clock into a wristwatch... nope, even this innovation was by two Polish and Czech immigrants.

Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by gherkinnn on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:13PM (#25231185)
That's from Jeremy Clarkson, innit?

Despite that quote being mostly wrong [0][1], a safety net might account for some idleness. But there's more. You might find a local variation of the Law of Jante [2], for example.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_mercenaries

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo_clock#First_modern_cuck...

2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by HPsquared on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:22PM (#25231270)
It's said by Orson Welles' character in "The Third Man" (1949). Famous quote, allegedly ad-libbed: https://youtu.be/I8RW3K3hhWU
Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by z_zetetic_z on Saturday November 28, 2020 @04:17AM (#25236455)
Cuckoo clocks originated in the Black Forest in Germany, north of the Swiss border. People associate them with Switzerland because of innovative marketing!
Re:Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers? by mahkeiro on Saturday November 28, 2020 @02:23AM (#25235945)
It’s not like Switzerland has one of the highest number of nobel prize and patent per capita in the world... That’s really not a spot on cliché quote...