Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by coding123 on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:28PM
(#25171619)
Is there some service out there designed specifically for AMAs? I can see billions of unanswered questions, which makes the AMA part just "asking" instead of "answering".
If anyone DID read through everything, does anyone know when they'll get down to the greater Redding, CA area?
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by andy_ppp on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:15PM
(#25170959)
I can’t seem to read this without logging in, never mind the dark patterns trying to force you into downloading their app. Reddit hate their users don’t they.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by chmod775 on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:39PM
(#25171155)
Old reddit: loads instantly, pleasant to use.
New reddit: takes what feels like a minute to fully load while my laptop's fans are working overtime, and even once it's fully loaded it only shows a fraction of the comments. It is also necessary for them to use a tiny font so they can even fit anything on the screen, because they insist on having 60% of the screen as empty space. If you try to zoom into the page so you don't have to squint reading a tiny font, the experience becomes really horrible.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by TechBro8615 on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:40PM
(#25171170)
Beating a dead horse here, but new reddit is an embarrassment and the devs should be ashamed. It's awful. Do better.
If you do want to save your reddit addiction, and you've got iOS, I recommend the Apollo app. It's made by one guy and is 100x better than anything from Reddit itself.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by bigbubba on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:23PM
(#25171574)
Bad annoying design may have been imposed on the devs by idiotic management, but that doesn't excuse their failure to even implement a shitty design well. There is no reason for it to perform like dog shit, no matter how ugly management demands they make it, yet it certainly does perform like dog shit. I honestly think any devs who worked on this should think twice before admitting it on their resume, because it really does reflect poorly on them.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by heavyset_go on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:13PM
(#25171469)
I've witnessed enough developers excitedly implement dark patterns and justify doing so with convoluted reasons like it improves engagement, it's good for the company, or that users will have an enhanced experience using the app, etc.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by WaxProlix on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:00PM
(#25171341)
If you use firefox, I've found redirector[1] to be super useful for this. It just converts URLs based on regexes, so all links to www.reddit get turned automatically into old.reddit. Some other fun uses too, and you don't have to go through the hassle of making your own extension boilerplate and such.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by woah on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:19PM
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My wife has tens of Reddit tabs open on a 5 year old bottom of the line 12” mini MacBook. HN users seem to have a lot of difficulty getting their computers to evaluate JavaScript normally.
It takes a good minute before the site even becomes interactive. If I was logged in it would be even worse with it having to load the text editor thingy etc.
Don't mind me typing "what?" in the search bar there, I thought the close button would just dismiss the bar at the top. Also note that I had uBlock active which blocked some requests. I don't even want to know how long it would take without it.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by lukevp on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:55PM
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The render looked fast. Perhaps the buttons have click events intercepted by an analytics library, and the async requests to load analytic libraries have to time out first? Can you network tools the load? I’m not saying the new site is fast or anything but it surely doesn’t take a minute to become interactive in most cases.
Also are you using any dns based blocking like pi holes? Sometimes this can cause a network request to time out rather than instantly fail.
Looks like the reddit servers are just slow, but the old reddit doesn't need to load so many JS files to become usable. Even if it is only halfway loaded you can already interact with it.
Because of the amount of JS files that the new reddit needs, it's not even a contest.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by superkuh on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:07PM
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You can't expand comments to look at replies on old.reddit without running their javascript. The comments with replies aren't visible on the i.reddit or the ceddit.com js interface. Compare this yourself by searching for "ipv4" on old vs i.
The only way to look at the contents of the replies to comments is to run reddit's arbitrary code. They've gone from document to application.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by trap_chateau on Saturday November 21, 2020 @12:20PM
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Try this link. It just replaces 'www' with 'old'. The day they get rid of old reddit is the day i never hop on that website ever again (though i never use it anyway)
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by snazz on Saturday November 21, 2020 @01:08PM
(#25171424)
New Reddit is a great way to benchmark your web browser's memory handling or your operating system's responsiveness when you're out of memory. Other than that, it's pretty frustrating.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by ineedasername on Sunday November 22, 2020 @10:18AM
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This is why despite having a more powerful CPU & GPU than ever and 10x more bandwidth than I did 8 years ago websites still seem to load at the same or worse speed as ever.
Re:We are the Starlink team, ask us anything
by davidivadavid on Saturday November 21, 2020 @02:25PM
(#25172087)
I don't know if they hate their users or not, but after years of their "new design" (or it seems like it's been that long at least), it still is nowhere close to working properly.
Slower, content not loading at all, random inexplicable errors, half the time it fails to keep me logged in, etc. etc.
If anyone DID read through everything, does anyone know when they'll get down to the greater Redding, CA area?
https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/jybmgn/we_are_the...
https://i.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/jybmgn/we_are_the_s...
New reddit: takes what feels like a minute to fully load while my laptop's fans are working overtime, and even once it's fully loaded it only shows a fraction of the comments. It is also necessary for them to use a tiny font so they can even fit anything on the screen, because they insist on having 60% of the screen as empty space. If you try to zoom into the page so you don't have to squint reading a tiny font, the experience becomes really horrible.
If you do want to save your reddit addiction, and you've got iOS, I recommend the Apollo app. It's made by one guy and is 100x better than anything from Reddit itself.
Do you really think the developers come up with the ideas to add a promotion banner for the app and other annoyances like that?
Seconded. I used Apollo on iOS and now I use Boost on Android.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/redirector/
"Our comment section takes almost a minute to load on mobile, how can we fix it?"
"Fix it? Seems like a perfect place to show ads!"
It takes a good minute before the site even becomes interactive. If I was logged in it would be even worse with it having to load the text editor thingy etc.
Don't mind me typing "what?" in the search bar there, I thought the close button would just dismiss the bar at the top. Also note that I had uBlock active which blocked some requests. I don't even want to know how long it would take without it.
And for comparison here's old reddit: https://streamable.com/z2ath6
Do you seriously want to defend this?
Old reddit: https://streamable.com/k99kuo
Looks like the reddit servers are just slow, but the old reddit doesn't need to load so many JS files to become usable. Even if it is only halfway loaded you can already interact with it.
Because of the amount of JS files that the new reddit needs, it's not even a contest.
Gigabit internet, super computers in our pockets.. and people think this is "fast". This is why we can't have nice things..
The only way to look at the contents of the replies to comments is to run reddit's arbitrary code. They've gone from document to application.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/jybmgn/we_are_the...
Soon like digg they'll drive everyone away. The golden goose will be cooked.
I've rarely seen a more total failure than their redesign...
Slower, content not loading at all, random inexplicable errors, half the time it fails to keep me logged in, etc. etc.
Users want to use the service but they don't want to be monetised for that use, seems like an antagonistic relationship.