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Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by the_af on Friday November 20, 2020 @08:20AM (#25160172)
I don't know if this is the case in English, but in Spanish the equivalent word "culto" doesn't mean "unimportant", "minor" or "fringe/dangerous". In fact, the Catholic (Abrahamic!) religion is referred to as a "culto", as is the Jewish religion and yes, also the religions of indigenous people. "Freedom of religion" is referred to as "libertad (freedom) de culto".

I read "cult" in the title of this article with this mindset, maybe influenced by my native tongue. Was I wrong?

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by HarryHirsch on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:38AM (#25161446)
Probably not, the Latin "cultus" means worship of a god and is value-neutral; the vernacular English meaning of "cult" as "new religious movement that I don't like" is quite recent. A catholic church having a budget line for "cult expenses" (that's a case of wine and a box of communion wafers) wouldn't raise eyebrows within the congregation.

That said, is there a temple without cult? After all a temple is a building to worship a deity. That sounds like a poor translation.

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by ginko on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:44AM (#25161502)
Buddhist temples don't necessarily worship deities as far as I know.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by wavefunction on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:42PM (#25163472)
Depends on the tradition or school or however the divisions are named I think. I don't possess a deep understanding of Buddhism but I've visited shrines that are dedicated to different gods/bodhisattvas like Tara or another one I don't remember. Maybe that's different than a temple though, these were shrines up in the Himalya. And the line between deities and bodhisattvas or humans doesn't seem so clearly delineated as it is in Abrahamic religions. Buddhism and "Hinduism" are intensely complex and interesting religions or sets of beliefs to me.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by naruvimama on Friday November 20, 2020 @08:29AM (#25160227)
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult "In modern English, a cult is a social group that is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or by its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal. This sense of the term is controversial, having divergent definitions both in popular culture and academia, and has also been an ongoing source of contention among scholars across several fields of study.[1][2]:348–56 It is usually considered pejorative."

I am sure the Catholic church would object to being called a cult in the English speaking world, do realise that a different set of laws might apply to a cult as against a religion.

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by neaden on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:45AM (#25161505)
The Catholic Church uses the term cult to refer to the movement around the veneration of particular saints, ex: The Cult of Saint Joseph.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by fogihujy on Friday November 20, 2020 @08:29AM (#25160235)
I looked it up just to be sure:

> A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

Based on the article, this seems to have been the dominant religion in the area. Norse and Rus ship burials are fairly well-documented so I must agree with the grandparent: using the word cult seems quite derogative.

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by eloisius on Friday November 20, 2020 @08:53AM (#25160436)
I don’t think the modern usage of the word cult is the only one though. In literature about polytheistic or shamanistic cultures you’ll often encounter the word “cult” without it being derogatory. Like “Cult of Dionysius” or Mazu cult. It’s just a word that has to be understood in context.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by naruvimama on Friday November 20, 2020 @08:59AM (#25160477)
A good test would be to use "Cult of Jesus" or "Cult of Mohammed" - either of which are actually historically/theologically accurate terms.

I bet that would set few heads rolling, figuratively and perhaps literally.

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by eloisius on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:11AM (#25160559)
They make sense to me. Especially early or pre-establishment Christianity. They were a “cult of Jesus” within the context of both Judaism and Roman religious life.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by 52-6F-62 on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:52AM (#25160940)
Very much so. They had to operate literally underground and use codified signals and emblems to avoid prosecution (social or otherwise).
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by fogihujy on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:11AM (#25160558)
There's nothing suggesting that this burial site was used by people who weren't Norse pagans like most other people in areas settled by the Norse at that time.

Your point would have been accurate if this find had indicated a cult of Odin or something, and that those worshippers didn't have the same practices their surroundings had.

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by colechristensen on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:29AM (#25160710)
Pagan is another word that should be dropped even more certainly than cult.

Pagan is the word Christians used for non Christian religions starting after the Roman state converted, not the word anyone used for themselves.

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by fogihujy on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:32AM (#25160737)
Fair enough. English isn't my first language, so I basically go with what the dictionary says, in this case "An adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity". :)
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by eloisius on Friday November 20, 2020 @07:37PM (#25166838)
Pagan is merely derived from the Latin word for “rural” or “rustic” because Christianity took hold in Roman cities first and non-Christian Roman gentry held out in the countryside.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by lostlogin on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:16AM (#25161219)
Mostly, but I don’t think a Christian would call a Muslim or a Jew ‘Pagan’. It’s more of a synonym for polytheism.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by zaroth on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:07AM (#25161098)
Sect would probably be the same noun without the derogatory connotation.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by the_af on Friday November 20, 2020 @04:44PM (#25165409)
I'm not sure... I've heard "sect" used in a derogatory sense in English, as in "sectarian".
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by smogcutter on Friday November 20, 2020 @11:20AM (#25161862)
I think sect implies a factionalism or mutual exclusivity that doesn’t generally fit for ancient polytheistic religions.
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by samstave on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:31AM (#25160736)
>authoritarian, charismatic leader.

you mean like the pope?

Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by ARandomerDude on Friday November 20, 2020 @10:37AM (#25161438)
Welcome to Protestantism. :-)
Re:Viking ship in Norway buried near cult temple, feast hall... by mattkrause on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:27PM (#25162655)
French as well.

'Lieux de culte' is just a generic place of worship and is applied to mainstream ones (e.g., Catholic churches) as well as less common religions.