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Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by jmnicolas on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:24AM (#25147050)
> Russia is too threatening to upset your security guarantor.

Come on stop spreading this dumb western propaganda, Russia isn't threatening anybody in western Europe.

They took Crimea back and sabotaged Ukraine because strategically they can't afford to have yet another NATO country right at their doorstep. They're not going to invade Poland any time soon (what for anyway?).

They're not crazy nor blood thirsty. This is the same with North Korea: their actions make perfect sense once you look past our propaganda.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by oblio on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:47AM (#25147838)
Geopolitics are an interesting thing. It's also interesting how 2 regimes with totally different ideologies ended having similar borders (Imperial Russia and the USSR).

> Russia isn't threatening anybody in western Europe

Those poor schmucks not in Western Europe can just be thrown under the bus like the last 2 times, right? :-)

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by ignasl on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:30AM (#25147401)
They won't invade Poland or Baltics because those countries are in NATO and EU and it's way too risky. Russia seems pretty involved in all the hotspots lately including starting a war in Ukraine. Very likely same fate would be for Poland and Baltics if they didn't protect themselves with stronger allies. And even if current Russia is not interested/capable to cause trouble to east EU - that doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Country leader shouldn't just look in the last 2 years - he needs to prepare country for the next 50 years.
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by iguy on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:11AM (#25147641)
I guess a big factor must be to ask what they would gain. Domestic PR / distraction is one thing, but Crimea also has warm-water ports, and a (largely?) ethnic Russian population.

Eastern Poland has... some farmland, some ancient forests? People with a 5-generation deep tradition of suicidal attempts to kick the Russians out? Whereas the Baltics are sandwiched with Kalinngrad, and some have fair-sized Russian populations, who can be painted as oppressed. That seems much more concerning.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 19, 2020 @05:03AM (#25147918)
> They won't invade Poland or Baltics because those countries are in NATO and EU and it's way too risky

You’re literally describing the value of the security guarantee.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by nix23 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:34AM (#25147765)
>Russia seems pretty involved in all the hotspots lately including starting a war in Ukraine

Yeah and stop d one in armenia.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by elmo2you on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:23AM (#25147703)
In case you didn't get that memo: the shit in the Ukraine didn't start with Russian involvement.

It started with very active meddling, spending copious amounts of money, into the internal politics of the country. It should also be noted that much of that money went to ultra-right-wing militant organizations, who have zero respect for democracy or freedom. Essentially, the USA bought itself a (fascist) private army to take control (or at least try to) over the natural resources in East Ukraine and Crimea. Russia responded rather predictably to that.

Some might even argue that they had every right to do so. I'd love to see Americans react, if Russia were to sponsor some kind of anti-US militia in Alaska, that would subsequently take control of state (military bases with missile launch facilities included). I'm pretty sure that US citizens would call that for what it is: an act of aggression.

No, the reason Russia doesn't invade Poland or the Baltic countries isn't because of NATO. Ironically, if those countries are at risk in any way, it's probably rather because of NATO. NATO (and its members) keeps insisting that the organization is defensive in nature only, yet its actions tell a rather different story (and it has done so for a long time, at least since the '90).

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by quonn on Thursday November 19, 2020 @05:54AM (#25148211)
Alaska is part of the US. Ukraine is not part of Russia.

Everything else in your comment is also factually wrong or even a deliberate lie just like the ones you spread in your other replies here.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by elmo2you on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:55AM (#25148975)
If only you could see the irony in your response. I guess that you have to be oblivious to it. But thank for providing a little piece of entertainment for me today.
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by zaphirplane on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:21AM (#25147346)
I thought it was about getting land locked not so much having a NATO country on it border
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by fakedang on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:40AM (#25147463)
Warm water port + not wanting a NATO country within driving distance of Moscow. Same reason why Russia is heavily invested in maintaining its hegemony over Belarus.
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by roenxi on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:36AM (#25147112)
If you look past the propaganda, basically there are a bunch of countries in the world. One would assume that Russia/North Korea/China/the UK/Kazakhstan/Somalia etc want to invade other places about as much as America does.

So if you look at America's record for foreign 'Peacekeeping' it seems prudent to keep a sizeable army on hand to defend against the Russians. Places with strong armies invade places that aren't protected by strong armies.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by coldtea on Thursday November 19, 2020 @02:49AM (#25147165)
>One would assume that Russia/North Korea/China/the UK/Kazakhstan/Somalia etc want to invade other places about as much as America does.

Historically, not every country did it "as much as America does", and not globally.

Both because of differences in culture, and because of differences in role and capacity.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by jmnicolas on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:02AM (#25147231)
Of course you need a strong army to protect your country so that your neighbors don't become hungry for what you have.

However I resent the dumb propaganda that is served to us and has no basis in reality.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by eternalban on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:37AM (#25148487)
> I resent the dumb propaganda that is served to us and has no basis in reality

I suggest ignoring "geopolitics", and considering to what extent your input matters even in local political matters. If you find that such impact is minimal locally, then from a political consideration, it is a waste of your time to spend energy on "Russian threat" or any other geopolitical narrative (many dating to 19th century.) You should focus on your local issues.

Geopolitical policy is opaque to uninitiated and uninformed. It is not clear to me why the elite make a show of discussing geopolitics for the public at large. Join CFR in a meaningful capacity and you may get a whif of what actually are the dynamics and issues that drive international relations.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by jmnicolas on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:42AM (#25158157)
Geopolitics matter even for simple people like me: first it's always better to not live in the matrix of lies of someone else and secondly it can help understand what's happening or what is going to happen.
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by eternalban on Sunday November 22, 2020 @07:17AM (#25176864)
> it can help understand what's happening or what is going to happen.

This is hopelessly naive, imho. The information asymmetry is off the charts, and a rational "analyst/reader" (the role you want to play) of geopolitics should be aware of this fact, and its implications. You simply have no idea what is really going on. You don't have the data and it is naive to assume what is printed in a handful of outlets by an equally limited number of promoted authors are the "geopolitical facts".

So, yes geopolitics certainly "matter" but that was not the point.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by mschuster91 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:04AM (#25147244)
They have literally been caught financing Brexit and every major alt-right, antidemocratic, Europe-skeptic party there is - Germany's AfD, France's FN, Italy's Salvini bunch.

Russia is a threat to democracy and an enemy of Europe, directly competing with China.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by morsch on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:44AM (#25147480)
Well yeah, but the thread so far was referring to military threats.
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by mschuster91 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:30PM (#25152644)
Russia can't compete with any Western country in open warfare.

Cyber warfare and nation destabilizing by propaganda campaigns however? That is way cheaper, and the Russians have quite a history of such actions with the KGB. The side benefit is that, in contrast to a Russian airplane dumping Russian bombs on a city, the Russian government can easily deny that they are responsible for a group of hackers or an oligarch's "donation" to a far right party.

Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by drran on Thursday November 19, 2020 @04:36AM (#25147770)
If Russian Federation can be beaten by west military, then it's stupid to threat western countries in any way. They can bluff West for a few years, but then what?
Re:NSA Spied on Denmark as It Chose Its Future Fighter Aircr... by SilentBan on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:39AM (#25148859)
The Russian brigade is doing great job downvoting you. This is another proof that you are right.