News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ybbond on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @04:44AM (#25134915)
Chromium:

  + support Handoff macOS -> iOS
  + text fragment support! [1]
  + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker
  + good performance, but
  - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus)
  - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W`
Firefox:

  + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers
  + built-in Picture in Picture
  - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of stuff hard for me
  - doesn't support Handoff macOS -> iOS
Safari:

  + The most battery friendly and lightweight
  + iCloud tabs & Handoff
  + built-in Picture in Picture, but
  - activating Picture in Picture is not as easy as Firefox
  - No good Vim keybindings emulation
  - cannot view rss raw text
  - automatically opens related macOS app if any link contains redirect to app

[1]: https://web.dev/text-fragments/
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by MagerValp on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:14AM (#25135485)
Regarding Firefox, I'm unsure what you mean by "no macOS menu bar function for Pin Tab", is this something different from right clicking on a tab and selecting Pin Tab?

And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by thirdsun on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:27AM (#25196153)
> And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac.

Only from iOS to macOS, not the other way around - at least not with Safari on iOS (I don't use Firefox on iOS).

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ybbond on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:13AM (#25136926)
in macOS, you can do (1)what you said with a mouse,

or you can use keyboard. Either you (2)press `⌘⇧?` and search for any functionality, or you (3)assign your own customized shortcut from System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by MagerValp on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:36AM (#25138821)
Ah, I understand, and assigning custom shortcuts is an awesome macOS feature that I don't use nearly enough.

Adding a menu item for "Pin current tab" seems like a pretty straightforward bugzilla request too.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by tomduncalf on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @05:15AM (#25135107)
> - automatically opens related macOS app if any link contains redirect to app

I hate this on iOS. Quite surprised there appears to be no way to disable it globally or per-app as it's such an annoying feature. The only way I know of is to press-and-hold a link to get the context menu, then open it from there... or more usually, uninstall the app in question!

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:23AM (#25136440)
Yes! I hate this feature on android. Sometimes I need to login to a Gmail account that I don't have on device, and it takes me to app instead of opening the website I need.

Hope they'll make it optional.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by lol768 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:26AM (#25136461)
Mozilla provided feedback on the text fragments spec: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194#is...
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by wodenokoto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @05:34AM (#25135223)
I think it is a good list, and it really shows how close browsers are today, that decisions are made on minor inconveniences like "How does it pin tabs?"

My biggest gripe with FF on MacOS is that they don't include "look up "x"" in the right-click menu.

The PiP in Firefox is a lot better than in Safari. I do wish FF came with better tools for opening PiP for videos that on purpose or on accident hides the PiP-button.

I also think that Safari's back-gesture is a huge plus.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ybbond on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:25AM (#25137066)
> My biggest gripe with FF on MacOS is that they don't include "look up "x"" in the right-click menu.

yes, I also miss that feature in Firefox. A sacrifice they choose over their own custom popup with Pocket and "Take a Screenshot"(great feature!), I guess.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ffpip on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @05:40AM (#25135259)
Firefox has search in the right click menu. Select anything, right click and 'search with Google/ddg'
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by Kwpolska on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:12AM (#25135469)
“Look up” is a macOS feature that can look up a word in the system Dictionary or Wikipedia. It can be activated by force-clicking or tapping with three fingers on a trackpad Mac, and by a right-click menu options in some apps (Firefox isn’t one of them) on all Macs. It is distinct from search.
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by wodenokoto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:35AM (#25137181)
The problem with force clicking is that the user doesn’t get to decide the string that is passed to the dictionary, instead a word boundary algorithm decides the word.

This algorithm doesn’t work very well on CJK-languages.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ffpip on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:35AM (#25137184)
Oh I didn't know about these features on MacOS. Have never used it too much..
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by Rmblnm4n on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:57AM (#25135808)
Oh great, text fragments; more ways for other people to highlight what’s valuable to me.
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by dmd on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:37AM (#25136078)
You say this as if sarcastically. I love this feature.
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by spdustin on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:36AM (#25138823)
Safari 14.0.1 on MacOS "Big Sur" has text fragment support, based on my quick test just now.

Edit: apparently still has failure points; when I added a sample to this post, it failed. Perhaps it's the URL parameter?

But when I linked to a page without a URL parameter, it did work. Ex: https://web.dev/text-fragments/#creating-text-fragment-urls-...

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by andrewl-hn on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:43AM (#25138011)
There's an addon for Text Fragment support in Safari and Firefox: https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/link-to-text-fragment

If someone sends this link to you, it will open just fine. If you send a link to someone else there's a very high probability they use Chrome. Otherwise, you can recommend them this extension.

It's the first time I heard about this new potentially standard feature, and it's very very useful. Thank you!

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by SxC97 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:44AM (#25138030)
Safari:

- Lacking extension support - Difficult to manage tabs compared to FF and Chrome [0]

[0] FF and Chrome allows you to select tabs the same way you select files. Click on individual tabs while holding command to select them or click on one, hold shift, and click on another tab to select all tabs in between. This makes it much easier to move groups of tabs between windows or break a group of tabs out into a new window.

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by lbotos on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @05:41AM (#25135266)
I think FF has hand-off from iOS Safari to FF Mac now?

I get the little FF with a phone icon if I open my mac after using iOS Safari sometimes.

Or do you mean iOS FF and MacOS FF?

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by derkopf on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @01:59PM (#25140855)
For the Safari vim keybinding problem: I am using Vimari, I'm pretty happy with it. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ybbond on Saturday November 21, 2020 @08:49AM (#25169702)
Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub.

Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by drclau on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:20AM (#25137704)
Safari picture-in-picture is better integrated with macOS: it can be used with multiple virtual desktops, it can be pushed to the side, it both snaps to predefined positions and it can be moved wherever. Firefox is stuck to one virtual display, unfortunately. Or has this changed?
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by chadlavi on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:53AM (#25137382)
There's a vimium plugin for safari, I use it. Called "vimari"

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ybbond on Saturday November 21, 2020 @08:49AM (#25169704)
Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub.

Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by SxC97 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:46AM (#25138053)
I wish safari allowed extensions to rearrange tabs like FF and Chrome. One of the biggest missing features from Vimari imo.
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by graftak on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @05:14AM (#25135096)
Chromium:

- pinned tabs don't transfer to a new window

The entire 'pinned' premise is out of the window with this

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by pjc50 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:27AM (#25135587)
Picture-in-picture is for me one of those features that manifests as an annoying banner over all videos that I don't want.
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by detaro on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:42AM (#25135703)
Then turn it off in settings once and be happy?
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by antihero on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:38AM (#25135677)
Then turn it off.

about:config

set

media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.enabled = false

Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by detaro on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:42AM (#25135705)
no need for about:config, it's in the normal settings dialog...
Re:Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively by ybbond on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:17AM (#25136970)
ah ya, I forgot

Firefox:

  + exposed about:config
  - cannot "highlight all occurrences in scroll bar" for search result
Safari

  + simulate safari iOS perfectly, for webdev (duh)
  - idem, cannot highlight all occurrences in scroll bar for search result
  - devtools is lacking