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Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by bookofjoe on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:55AM (#25092622)
See also: Kindle books; movies "purchased" from Amazon, Apple, et al; Tesla upgrades you paid extra for; I could go on....
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by throwanem on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:03AM (#25093108)
Kindle books were actually pretty good, back when they could reliably be liberated. Unfortunately, that's no longer the case.

In general, I think that's also a point we can draw from the cyberpunk genre, or maybe from Harry Harrison's old-school prefiguration of it in the Stainless Steel Rat series - the eponymous creature being one well suited to thrive "within the walls" of a society increasingly sclerotized with technocratic bureaucracy, but perhaps equally suited to a life of gnawing through the circumscriptions imposed by competing technofeudalist fiefdoms.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by ultrabenos on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:23AM (#25093238)
Off-topic, but legitimately purchased Kindle ebooks can still be quickly and easily liberated for the purposes of DRM-free personal backups of owned content. I won't comment on whether Amazon find this acceptable, or if it is legal in any given jurisdiction, but it is definitely possible.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by anvandare on Saturday November 14, 2020 @12:25PM (#25093787)
Thankfully it will (probably) never get as bad as Stallman described it[1], but you never know.

[1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by NetOpWibby on Saturday November 14, 2020 @10:34AM (#25092884)
This is precisely why I buy vinyl or music from Bandcamp, and choose the disc version of the PS5.

I view my digital purchases as things I am forever renting.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by hellotomyrars on Saturday November 14, 2020 @01:23PM (#25094314)
Those discs aren't going to do you much good if you don't have access to or have had access to PSN, since most games ship with a huge day 1 patch to fix all the issues between going gold and the date of sale.

Movies/Music/Books can be displayed and played back on damn near anything. Games, especially modern games, exist in both a variable state (constantly revised/updated), but also with a much more limited ability to access the content.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by NetOpWibby on Saturday November 14, 2020 @05:59PM (#25096486)
I lost a small number of games due to PlayStation support not being able to get around the fact that although I purchased some of them via PayPal, I also bought other games with a credit card. They could verify I owned the actual account and I answered all security questions but they still wouldn't fix whatever issue I had (this was at least 5 years ago so I forget particulars).

That experience forever turned me off to relying on digital-only.

To your points, having a PSN account is necessary but I can always create a new one if need be.

Whenever possible, I prioritize non-DRM media for purchase.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by shrimp_emoji on Saturday November 14, 2020 @12:40PM (#25093909)
... You can't store MP3 files why? You're renting your hard drives, too?
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by NetOpWibby on Saturday November 14, 2020 @05:54PM (#25096439)
I meant digital purchases with DRM or inside a digital store like Vudu or Amazon Prime.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by Aeolun on Saturday November 14, 2020 @10:37AM (#25092892)
I have yet to hear about the first amazon account ban.

I don’t think they’re really interested in that, since the accounts are almost by definition making them a bunch of money.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by antiframe on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:49AM (#25093459)
I once used to buy digital movies on Amazon and thought it was a great experience. Until my first vacation in Canada where I discovered I couldn't watch my movies. I called them and they said that my movies were region-locked to the United States. To their credit, they did refunded all of my digital purchases. I haven't bought anything digital from them since.

So, not an Amazon account ban, but you quickly learn you are not "buying" a movie, but renting it, sometimes with silly restrictions like "only from these IPs".

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by hombre_fatal on Saturday November 14, 2020 @10:49AM (#25092993)
I'm having trouble understanding your point. Leaving aside simply googling it, surely you can't be saying that because you haven't heard of something, it doesn't exist or isn't a threat or isn't worth any concern.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by mistermann on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:09AM (#25093151)
That exact "logic" is extremely common in journalism, as well as on most social media platforms including this one.

If you think about it, this shouldn't be all that surprising - after all, this is exactly how intuition works, and the human mind runs very much on intuition, people just don't realize it (at the object level).

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by edoceo on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:28AM (#25093269)
I've never heard of intuition so this must false. I'm sure I'd know about it otherwise.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by mistermann on Saturday November 14, 2020 @01:46PM (#25094514)
Sometimes I get in a kind of a depressed funk, and then a comment like this comes along to refill my optimism-for-humanity tank.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by Aeolun on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:03PM (#25096518)
Considering I have heard, and regularly hear of Facebook and Google account bans, my sample size seems large enough to conclude that either amazon account bans don’t happen, or nobody cares enough to make angry posts about it.

It’s still a concern because of the mechanics of the thing, but it appears less applicable for amazon at the moment.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by t0astbread on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:09AM (#25093149)
It doesn't have to be an account ban. I've recently started playing games on my old Nintendo 3DS again and discovered that I've lost my Nintendo Network ID password and closed the associated email account. That leaves me in a state where I can't log out of the account on the console without losing the associated digital software licenses.

Not that that's Nintendo's fault but I think something like this will be the fate of every account that's not used, closed or deleted for a long time and owning your data and software possessions would protect against it.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by ebiester on Saturday November 14, 2020 @10:49AM (#25092991)
https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-banned-this-shopper-then-he... talks about it - the primary reason is for excessive returns. Alternatively, there are sellers as well that are more in danger.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by nitrogen on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:36AM (#25093346)
There was the case when they remotely deleted the novel 1984 from a bunch of devices.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by Aeolun on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:05PM (#25096532)
Ah, good one. I’d forgotten about that.