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Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by jhedwards on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:43PM (#25086512)
There is a long history of massive uprisings against the establishment in China. Tiananmen is just the most well known example of something that happens every year. I doubt Xi is ignorant enough to _not_ be afraid, though I agree with you that he probably is very confident as well.

> Xi is clamping down on religion because he can

My source may be dated, but as of 1988 policy making in China was a protracted, incremental process involving negotiation among numerous different groups (central and provincial governments, bureaus and departments)[0]. Things may be more centralized now, but I think it's safe to say that if something is happening in China, it's because multiple government entities at different levels have agreed to it. Who knows what the reason is.

[0] Policy Making in China, Lieberthal 1988

Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by whimsicalism on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:47PM (#25086545)
a. There are not "massive uprisings" "every year" in China.

b. China has substantially centralized post-2000.

I would go so far as to say it is close-to-useless to cite a 1988 book on modern China unless to reference its history, that's how fast things have changed.

Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by baybal2 on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:04PM (#25086778)
There are hundred of riots happening in China every year without even "China watcher" media telling a thing about them.

My own experience was seeing a huge commotion right in the city centre of Guangzhou, a megalopolis bigger than New York, without single mention in the media the next day besides some random youtube uploads.

Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by alisonatwork on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:28PM (#25087061)
Do you know what the commotion was about?

I can co-sign that there are often incidents of civil unrest in China that are not reported in the media. However, from what i can gather, these are not explicitly anti-establishment. Most of them appear to be localized labor disputes or middle class NIMBYs making a fuss about development that inconveniences them.

For reporting on the former, you can check out China Labour Bulletin[0].

[0] https://clb.org.hk/

Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by jhedwards on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:16PM (#25087606)
> There are not "massive uprisings" "every year" in China.

At least in 2012, there were apparently 500 protests _every day_: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/ho...

When I was there in 2014 there was a HUGE protest in Changsha. None of these are reported in the media inside or outside China.

I concede that my source on policy-making is dated, but I highly doubt the the functioning of a country as vast and complex as China can be completely transformed in forty years. Still, I'm not sure, so I emailed the author to verify.

Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by whimsicalism on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:51PM (#25087943)
> 500 protests _every day_

I think there is a world of difference between protests (usually over eminent domain related concerns, not always) and an "uprising." I've tracked to track down some of these claims of 180,000 protests a year (following the links) and it's been hard - I find it hard to believe that these are very large protests.

Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by Fricken on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:56PM (#25086664)
I think you're caught in short term thinking. China's cultural character has been developing over 1000s of years. It's DNA hasn't changed meaningfully since 1988.
Re:Xi Jinping personally halted Ant's IPO after Jack Ma snub... by whimsicalism on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:28PM (#25087062)
Sure, some of those values shine through, but I think you're underestimating how quickly change can occur and how values can be changed when your population scales up from 75 million (1000 years ago) to 1.3 billion.